Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement

[dollman]

Im still waiting

Working for the water companies

 

[bowji john]

As was lead piping to beer taps

A famous case of lead poisoning was related to a chap that had no association with occupational exposure to lead

It was found that he was a pub regular- usually the first in

His was the first pint pulled from beer left overnight in lead pipes

That was taught years ago on occy heath courses

My recollection is vague - but you get the idea

 

[Ruger#1]

How will the next lot of elite athletes ever become so?

They won’t

 

[Chris Richardson]

Working for the water companies

oh no im waiting for an answer to a question i asked him earlier in the thread , not holding out much hope though ....

 

[dollman]

oh no im waiting for an answer to a question i asked him earlier in the thread , not holding out much hope though ....

Like I said working for the water companies been there doing it that’s your answer ok do unstand that or from house too the street is 85% is still on lead because basically it’s to expensive too change them over the water companies are in enough trouble now with the dumping sewage or is a conspiracy as well do you research I see it everyday

 

[Liveonce]

As was lead piping to beer taps

A famous case of lead poisoning was related to a chap that had no association with occupational exposure to lead

It was found that he was a pub regular- usually the first in

His was the first pint pulled from beer left overnight in lead pipes

That was taught years ago on occy heath courses

My recollection is vague - but you get the idea

indeed plenty of lead in some food and drink, wine from memory, then all them cancerous chemicals via smoking all going to be banned by DEFRA, then fast food out lets next to end obesity. We can all live on lead free pheasant and live happy after.

 

[Ruger#1]

BASC has been opposed to further restrictions throughout the HSE review

Unfortunately not reflected in your own ,often highly emotive, posts on forums that justified and promoted further lead shot restrictions .

 

[Smellydog]

Just load an ounce of BB.

Make my own, bugger it.

 

[Sinistral]

What about fox, rabbit etc, lead ammunition in .17, .22 will still be ok will?

223 can be used for muntjac in england, so that can be lead as i read it.

The more you read this the less one begins to understand it

I'm with you on the lack of clarity, BUT Section 31 posted again says that the HSE argument (no .22 Centrefire permitted for quarry shooting) has been accepted and agreed.

31. The Agency laid out, as evidenced by a European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) review of multiple studies, that the suitability of non-lead centre fire bullets 0.22 calibre and larger for live quarry shooting is well established. .

You could nitpick and say .17HMR, .17 Hornet, .17 Rem, .204 Ruger are <.224", but unfortunately their lead content is >3% so they're caught by the definition.

The only exemption allowed is .22rf, which isn't 'HO suitable' for Fox.
Rabbits shot with .22rf can't go in the food chain of course.

 

[Liveonce]

I'm with you on the lack of clarity, BUT Section 31 posted again says that the HSE argument (no .22 Centrefire permitted for quarry shooting) has been accepted and agreed.

31. The Agency laid out, as evidenced by a European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) review of multiple studies, that the suitability of non-lead centre fire bullets 0.22 calibre and larger for live quarry shooting is well established. .

You could nitpick and say .17HMR, .17 Hornet, .17 Rem, .204 Ruger are <.224", but unfortunately their lead content is >3% so they're caught by the definition.

The only exemption allowed is .22rf, which isn't 'HO suitable' for Fox.
Rabbits shot with .22rf can't go in the food chain of course.

but does not section 35 say that small calibre <6.17mm are not included in the restriction.

 

[Dunwaters]

Lovely but salmonella and lead aren’t really linked are they ? I mean someone gettting salmonella poisoning from a chicken from the supermarket or takeaway kinda proves that doesn’t it ….

That’s what they want you to think…

 

[Ratel]

It does away with some drawbacks, but we morphed into a generation of neck shooters for sound reasons.
I’m not questioning that you can kill deer with a .22 center fire, I know you can, did it for decades, I’m asking why you’d want to move to one purely to keep using lead ammunition?
That just doesn’t make sense, whatever advantage you think you’ll gain from the lead ammo is more than offset by the downsides.
Just my opinion, but been there, done that and now have 2 bigger rifles firing copper.
The .22/250 and 5.6 are long gone.
No regrets.

I'll just hang on doing what I do and being ancient. As said I might even contemplate returning to my youth. Although the Fallow seem to be bigger and heavier now, they aren't really, they'll still go down as they always did.

 

[Dunwaters]

As a medical microbiologist having isolated and identified countless salmonella bacteria from both blood and faeces I’m interested in the link you have drawn between lead shot/bullet demise in pheasant/deer and salmonella food poisoning ,could you clarify

For the purposes of clarification, there was absolutely no link between the salmonella and the use of lead shot, but the question was open to misinterpretation, so I deliberately did.

It’s no wonder we have shooters convinced by the case for the abolition of lead ammunition if this is the level of understanding propping up their beliefs.

 

[Spear Chucker]

Yes, head shoot and they all die. They're thin skinned game, were not talking about cape buffalo or elephant are we. Stick a 22lr in the right spot and they will also die...

Better yet, just get a long dog and get rid of the shooting altogether

They won’t

Athleticism/excellence is Elitist. Exclusionary to melon-heads.
Sit at home poking yourself full of MacDonalds. Become a Doctor's surgery regular and hang your jacksie out of the PIP car window for the state to wipe. That is what they want.
Conform. Obey. Comply.

 

[Dunwaters]

I'll just hang on doing what I do and being ancient. As said I might even contemplate returning to my youth. Although the Fallow seem to be bigger and heavier now, they aren't really, they'll still go down as they always did.

Feck the fallow.
Have you seen how steep those mountains are nowadays?

 

[Spear Chucker]

Unfortunately not reflected in your own ,often highly emotive, posts on forums that justified and promoted further lead shot restrictions .

Well Said Sir.

 

[Ratel]

Thinking beyond lead pipes, I wonder how many of us crib biters have died from lead. Most kids in my day chewed their lead painted cots when teething, mine looked like a woodpecker had been at it. I know because my first nipper had that cot. I also sucked lead soldiers as did many others. Not doing too bad despite lead eaten and injected and smoking my pipe.

 

[Spear Chucker]

There was a case of salmonella traced back to a pheasant. The pheasant had been shot with lead shot.
There was also a case in Scotland where a deer carcass was found to have been contaminated with salmonella and it caused several people to become ill. The deer was also killed by a lead bullet.
If you want more, there are literally hundreds of studies demonstrating that lead consumption causes illness and death in wildlife.
It’s not just about humans…

Yawn...most of these studies completely ignore the presence of high concentrations of naturally occurring lead of far more toxic nature. Are you sure we need to do this again, or are you just going to do the loop one more time in the hope that we just give up and suck up the party line?

 

[Smellydog]

Airgun pellets are exempt. Excellent.

 

[Spear Chucker]

Stuff it. Let's just go snaring in the middle of the night or dragging carcasses off the central reservation of East Anglia's motorways. They'll probably ban that because of the potential for contamination by rubber particulates.