Lead ban date announced

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I mean, this is the confidence I have in the TTSX, I’ve always said I would shoot anything up to dangerous game with 130gn Barnes ttsx from my old rust bucket Ruger m77 without question or worry!

 

[Alhamander]

I bought 40 rounds for DSC1 practice last week, £40.

Same 40 in the copper that I use would be £130.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

7x57 any chance?

I’ll happily share load data, I’ve done a fair bit of playing with the 7x57

Unfortunately not, either rem mag or PRC. Time will tell
Appreciate the offer though

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Unfortunately not, either rem mag or PRC. Time will tell
Appreciate the offer though

If I didn’t have the 7x57 i would have had a PRC but I’m smitten with the 7x57 but the PRC certainly intrigues me

 

[Cottis]

£130 for 40 cartridges? Bloody hell. Reloading equipment makers are gonna see an uptick in business by the sounds of it.

Is that really how much factory ammo costs these days?

 

[Pellet Pinger]

Its the cost. most people shooting deer wont notice a difference but then they likely dont shoot many rounds over land per month. My personal projectile cost will likely triple or quadruple at the current cost of copper projectiles so I'll have to reduce the amount I shoot. Some would just give up all together. There's nothing wrong with copper but they're taking away our choice

For sure, plus the the learning curve on how it behaves.
So if you shoot factory i would imagine most would have their go to round and happy with accuracy and performance regarding clean kills.
At some point all that work you have done will go down the pan and you have to start from scratch, first finding a round that will shoot accurately from your particular rifle, then as said on this thread choose the wrong bullet and you will be chasing runners so once you do find an accurate round you need to cross everything and pray it suits your particular circumstances.
All for the pleasure of circa £55 plus a box, so probably spunking over £200 quid just to find a round.

 

[Pedro]

So, what does this mean for shotgun cartridges? I assume they’ll all have to be non-lead, or are there exceptions for clay shooting grounds like there’s supposed to be for rifle ranges. I could endeavour to look it up, but if anyone can say, then that’ll save me time. And do feel free to call me lazy.

Scrap that, it’s all banned from the glorious 1st August 2029.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Scrap that, it’s all banned from the glorious 1st August 2029.

Get stocking up lads!

 

[hendrix's rifle]

If I didn’t have the 7x57 i would have had a PRC but I’m smitten with the 7x57 but the PRC certainly intrigues me

Ill let you know how it goes

 

[Sandy25]

£130 for 40 cartridges? Bloody hell. Reloading equipment makers are gonna see an uptick in business by the sounds of it.

Is that really how much factory ammo costs these days?

yep - about £60 a box for copper give or take a few quid

Bought some Sako Powerhead blade copper ammo and they set me back £58 a box!

 

[Alhamander]

yep - about £60 a box for copper give or take a few quid

Bought some Sako Powerhead blade copper ammo and they set me back £58 a box!

That is a very good price.

 

[Sandy25]

That is a very good price.

Didn't seem like it at the time

 

[WW.]

On the earlier link to the new amendments to the REACH regulation the new paragraph 11 says lead projectiles of more than 3% lead are banned for range use and 12.b says that any projectile that is not shot and has more than 3% lead in it is banned for any other use. Both are subject to exemptions.

The main exemptions are use on a range, when it has provision for lead recovery (paragraph 13) and lead bullets of a calibre less than 6.17mm (paragraph 23.a).

While .243 bullets are commonly called 6mm, that’s just a rounding. If you measure them they’re .243” which, as others have said, is 6.1722mm.

So, lead is banned for anything .243 or above unless on a range - what’s printed on boxes doesn’t matter.

Looking at it, it looks like it's the sale which is being banned so technically if people stock up on lead now/before the date it may still be legal to use for live quarry until they run out.

EDIT- it's been pointed out I missed the words 'used or' when reading it so my above post is incorrect.

 

[Deermanagement]

.243 bullets are 6.2mm, I believe.

(Edit: I just googled it. They're 6.17mm).

You’ll find they are 6.15, made to travel down a bore on bottom tolerance

 

[enfieldspares]

Looking at it, it looks like it's the sale which is being banned so technically if people stock up on lead now/before the date it may still be legal to use for live quarry until they run out.

Call in at Specsavers next time you are passing?

 

[andyk]

Looking at it, it looks like it's the sale which is being banned so technically if people stock up on lead now/before the date it may still be legal to use for live quarry until they run out.

It does say use as well as sell.

There’s no prohibition on ownership though.

 

[WW.]

Call in at Specsavers next time you are passing?

Ah yes, missed 'used'. Thanks for correcting.

 

[Alhamander]

Quote: “calibre” means the measurement of the interior (also known as “the bore”) of a firearm’s barrel and the diameter of projectile used".

So that also puts that line of reasoning to bed.

Now if someone really wanted to use lead, perhaps they could start a private maritime security company, which seems exempt in Paragraph 26.

 

[WW.]

Quote: “calibre” means the measurement of the interior (also known as “the bore”) of a firearm’s barrel and the diameter of projectile used".

So that also puts that line of reasoning to bed.

Now if someone really wanted to use lead, perhaps they could start a private maritime security company, which seems exempt in Paragraph 26.

So all we then need is some deer on a pontoon flying the Jolly Roger and we're good?

 

[enfieldspares]

Ah yes, missed 'used'. Thanks for correcting.

Alas, yes, it's a catch all sad to say. Thank you for your good humour in respect of my comment.