Lead update.
- Thread starter gixer1
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Banned my favourite bloomin' Nitromors they did too! Now to strip a gun stock it's Bartoline and sit and wait and hour, then coat the stock again and sit and wait. With Nitromors you put the kettle one, made a cup of tea. By the time the water was boiled and poured into the pot the finish was ready to strip and by the time you'd finished the strip the tea had mashed nicely and was ready to pour into the cup and drink.
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Conor O'Gorman
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As things stand if the HSE proposals were implemented the majority of outdoor ranges would be able to continue to use lead rifle ammunition and the remainder would have 2 years transition period to put in place the required de-leading protocols.
Thank you for the reply, however do BASC know who the enforcement authority will be and why no costing within the proposal for setting up and operating the enforcement authority, when other costs e.g re-barrelling 0.8 million were included. Especially given this could be a very substantial cost that one assumes will be passed on to operators of outdoor ranges.
Then if the outdoor ranges only allow <6.17mm will they be required to comply with the proposal given the continued use on live quarry.
Then is the scope of this for target shooting ranges, given zeroing and practicing is not seen by the Police as target shooting unless competition is taking place.
Conor O'Gorman
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The HSE has not recommended who the enforcement agency would be - and the estimates came from the EA who the HSE describe as the enforcement experts. As per the HSE report all types of lead rifle ammunition could continue for target shooting on ranges with de-leading protocols in place - that being around 95% of ranges.
fine for about the fifth time of you saying it, I get that 95% of ranges, de-leading protocol.
The re-barrelling estimate of cost came from the EA?
The rest does not fill one with confidence, it’s like saying we are going to introduce checks on bikes but have no idea how much it will cost or who will do it, but it will magically happen and tough luck if you own a bike because it must be checked regardless of cost.
Have we not been here before with GP reports?
Looking to the future of shooting in general terms, are there any noises with regards compensation for banned lead containing projectiles, as there were for the pistol situation?
Conor O'Gorman
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Yes, the EA for enforcement costs. I don't know any better than you what happens next. This is a new post-Brexit process
What about the likes of the new NRL? Where will we stand on that? It's not a conventional range as such? Or will that be lead free?
Conor O'Gorman
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The HSE recommends "A restriction on the use of lead bullets for outdoor target shooting with a derogation for use at ranges with appropriate risk management measures in place"
And that:
"The derogation will only apply at outdoor target shooting sites where:- the site ensures that appropriate action is being taken to reduce the identified risks to the environment, so far as is reasonably practicable, and there is documented evidence which can be made available to an enforcing authority- notification has been made to the appropriate enforcing authority declaring that they are taking appropriate action to reduce the identified risks to the environment, so far as is reasonably practicable".
The details of all this would have to be worked out in guidance, accounting for various target shooting disciplines and the places where they take place - if the HSE recommendation was implemented. The HSE has proposed a two-year transition period before any restrictions on the use of lead bullets for target shooting took effect.
Conor O'Gorman
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Perhaps I should have referred to it as 'zeroing' on private land, as mentioned on most F.A.C.s
Sounds like live quary shooter might all have to join a club, perhaps.
Conor O'Gorman
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Yes, and that may still be down to guidance, and added to that my understanding from what's in the HSE report is that zeroing outside approved ranges could continue with lead bullets for the small calibres that can continue to be used for live quarry shooting. See the report for all the complexities around this.
Interesting that so few people responded to the EU consultation.
Perhaps it indicates that, like their attitude to other EU regulations, "the rules are for the British, not for us"!
Bill.Stickers
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I expect that there will be no specific inspection regime for ranges, rather a system of self regulation with the outside possibility of an audit by the EA. No doubt range operators will be required to submit some sort of compliance documents but how that is to be policed I guess will be as ad-hoc as range certification (or lack of it). A typical British fudge.
let’s hope the NRA do not see it as an opportunity to further their empire building,
Very little detail in the HSE proposal no costs given so how they can propose such an idea in the document is very unprofessional.
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