Location of Gunsafes

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In a chance conversation with a bloke this morning (one of those), he told me it was now illegal to have aq gun safe in the bedroom since you would be able to access it in the event of an intruder and use what is contained therein. PLEASE tell me I ma right and this is bollocks - it sounds plausible though in our present snowflake society.

My response was - if they trust you with a firearm they also trust you to know when to use it and so you can store guns where you like within a house.

I also (think) I know that if you leave 'an offensive weapon' like a baseball bat in your room or a knife as protection in the event of burglary, that equates to intending to wound and will get you in trouble with the police. I hope that isn't true since the farmer who owned our house before us had a 1796 pattern heavy cavalry sword hidden atop a heavy oak beam for the benefit of any intruders ! Perhaps he was assuming they would be 'mounted'.- Before or after is the question !
 
oh ffs. [not directed at you in any way kes]
but the world gets dumber by the day.

"have you feckers seen what can be done with a cup.?" ;) :rofl:
 
As far as I am aware this is not true and you can locate your safe(s) anywhere that meets the requirements of being out of sight and securely fastened to the structure of the building. I certainly know of people that have their gun safe in their bedroom.

Surely the question that goes along with that is where you keep your keys, because if the safe is in your bedroom and the keys are locked in a drawer downstairs in your desk (or whatever) then it surely doesnt matter whether the safe is because you're not going to be getting into it in a hurry.

The only guidance I have heard is that they dont like people to put their safe in the loft because of the chance that you might not bother to lock your gun up when you get home at 11pm soaked to the skin, tired and just want to go to bed. Getting a ladder down and clambering around the loft is probably not high on the list of things you want to do at that point so the rationale is that you might be tempted to just stick the gun under your bed and deal with it in the morning.

As I understand it with things like baseball bats or whatever it all comes down to intent.

If someone broke into your house and when the police were called you said "I heard a burglar downstairs so jumped out of bed, grabbed my bat which I keep handy just for this sort of situation, then went downstairs and gave him the leathering of his life" that tells one story.

If you said "I heard a burglar downstairs so jumped out of bed to investigate, and fearing for my life I grabbed the first thing that was available (which just so happened to be a baseball bat) and when I went to investigate they lunged aggressively at me so I hit them" that tells an entirely different story.

This also applies were you to have hammered a load of nails into the bat or drilled a hole down the middle and filled it with lead - That shows intent that you were planning to use the bat aggressively and for maximum damage should such a situation arise.

The last part of that is entrapment - if you left the kitchen window open with your laptop on show, waited for a scrote to chance his luck and battered them that would also constitute intent. You laid a trap for someone to fall into.

Make of that what you will, but thats how I have had it explained to me.
 
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weapons are what wars are fought with.
As to an object used to defend oneself within the family home against uninvited persons, every room, cupboard, drawer, cabinet, contains a multitude of objects that with a little amount of thought can and will be used as a defence. the alternatives are what, ask an intruder to hang on for a month or so for the police to arrive and prevent a crime by discussing it over a cup of tea, probably with half a dozen analysts and social workers.

I truly despair of some sections of the gen pop, I really do. gullibility is becoming a national epidemic.

I heard the world was flat.
I heard packhan doesn't want shooting banned
I heard we were going to leave the eu
I heard were all gonna be dead within the next decade
I heard the bbc were impartial
I heard a kid with a known mental illness was regarded by some as the new messiah
I heard a tawny owl this dawn, while looking at deer, this one I believe.
 
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Well, mine's bolted to an internal brick wall, inside a fitted wardrobe in the bedroom my wife and I use in the loft.

I'm sure I'm OK though because none of my FAC items are conditioned for burglars, AOLQ yes but intruders no.
 
kes said:
In a chance conversation with a bloke this morning (one of those), he told me it was now illegal to have aq gun safe in the bedroom since you would be able to access it in the event of an intruder and use what is contained therein. PLEASE tell me I ma right and this is bollocks - it sounds plausible though in our present snowflake society.
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The fact they make suggestions for mobile home dwellers in HO guidance would render your acquaintance's "new law" suspect.

Copied from the home office documents currently available...

https://assets.publishing.service.g...achment_data/file/117794/security_leaflet.pdf


"Installation advice
Any security device should be securely fixed to the fabric of the building.
  • For preference it should be in a room or area that does not have direct access to the outside of a building.
  • It should not be in a garage, shed or other outside building, except in certain circumstances.
  • When considering large or heavy gun cabinets, you should consider the load bearing strength of your floors.
  • Wherever possible, it should be fixed to a wall that is built from bricks or concrete blocks or to the floor.

  • The container should be out of sight (unless the firearm is held for display purposes). If it is in a corner, it is more difficult for a thief to attack it.
  • You should avoid fixing the container near any heat source."



Alan
 
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I find a 4x D cell Maglite is handy to keep beside the bed in case of power outages and, ahem ...... other emergencies. ;)
 
riddick said:
oh ffs. [not directed at you in any way kes]
but the world gets dumber by the day.

"have you feckers seen what can be done with a cup.?" ;) :rofl:
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I really do wonder at some who are granted an FAC by the police. Now you don’t need a PhD in Nuclear Physics or International law, but i have me some who would struggle to get to double digits in an IQ. Test, yet still have an FAC.
 
This seems altogether counter-intuitive. If your cabinet is in your bedroom and it's where you sleep, then that is actually another layer of security. Those pesky burglars can't nick your guns without you waking up.

The likelihood of you waking up, finding your oh-so-well secreted keys, opening the cabinet, selecting a gun, finding the right bolt, putting it together, going back to the keys, unlocking wherever it is you keep your ammo, loading the firearm of choice, all in the dark and totally quietly unless the burglars hear you and escape, then being able to confront them is, I would suggest a very remote one.

I bet that the only burglars ever encountered by a homeowner with a firearm in this country would be either because the occupant has either got a gun out, polishing the butt (fnarr fnarr) or in days gone by, when a farmer would have a loaded shotgun handy behind the door in the kitchen for the odd shot at vermin, or repeat burglars (such as with Tony Martin, allegedly).
 
Pedro said:
This seems altogether counter-intuitive. If your cabinet is in your bedroom and it's where you sleep, then that is actually another layer of security. Those pesky burglars can't nick your guns without you waking up.

The likelihood of you waking up, finding your oh-so-well secreted keys, opening the cabinet, selecting a gun, finding the right bolt, putting it together, going back to the keys, unlocking wherever it is you keep your ammo, loading the firearm of choice, all in the dark and totally quietly unless the burglars hear you and escape, then being able to confront them is, I would suggest a very remote one.

I bet that the only burglars ever encountered by a homeowner with a firearm in this country would be either because the occupant has either got a gun out, polishing the butt (fnarr fnarr) or in days gone by, when a farmer would have a loaded shotgun handy behind the door in the kitchen for the odd shot at vermin, or repeat burglars (such as with Tony Martin, allegedly).
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Far too sensible a reply, have you no sense of irony ? I love it.
 
On this topic it is sensible...but who ever does it...to lock kitchen knives away. It is not uncommon for some burglars to arm themselves with kitchen knives from the householder victim's own kitchen.
 
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