Med Cert Costs !

Another 👍🏻 for Shootercert. I took the surgery 35 days to comply with my SAR (Subject access request) when they’re legally obliged to do it in 28 days and Shootercert took 35 minutes to complete it when they’re legally obliged got the data. £75 through BASC membership
Is there any recompense you can take for the surgery's delay? More out of interest than anything if it is a legal requirement.
 
It seems the best place to learn about how Fees are set was to look at the advice given to GPs on the British Medical Association's website. While I was about it, I read the separate section on Firearms Licensing, and the role that GPs should play in the process which the BMA has now agreed with the NPCC and the Home Office.

This lays out the various stages within the FAC/SGC Application when the police notify your doctor that you've applied, and been granted a certificate at the end. There are a series of different markers (clinical codes) put on your NHS Online Patient Record at each point. I've just been through all this with Cambs a fortnight ago (ONLY 12 DAYS AFTER MY FAC EXPIRED!:) ), so have watched all these alerts pop up on my medical record. There are at least a dozen of these in code, and plain language.

As we all know, completing the medical proforma isn't part of a GP's contract with the NHS. The legal responsibility for it lies with the senior doctors within the practice, which is usually one of the practice partners. This is a medical assessment of the patients medical condition so is classed as a factual statement taking 15 minutes of the Gp's time, or 20-30 minutes if it's not straight forward. His or her liability for signing it is now covered by the standard NHS indemnity. I paid £50, which seems to be the standard amount in this County. Methinks the fee goes direct to the GP principal who signs the form rather than the practice.

The practice may also add VAT to the fee, as any service provided by doctors is to enable a third party organisation to decide a course of action is subject to VAT according to HMRC. The BMA say it is working on a fees calculator for practices to use, so those FAC/SGC applicants who renewed some time ago might have a shock on their coming renewal.

In addition to confirming the applicant's own declaration that he/she isn't suffering from,or being treated for any of the 'notifiable' medical conditions, there are ten times as many other conditions assigned an NHS clinical code which trigger an indicator automatically on the patient's online record. I don't know what these are, but reporting them to the police is left to the GP's discretion. I'd advise anyone reading this to bookmark the links at the bottom. The concluding bit of the 1st link sounds ominous:-

"The list above is not intended to be exhaustive. Doctors should consider any other mental or physical condition which may affect the individual’s safe possession of a firearm or shotgun, now or in the future.

See also sections 3.34 and 3.35 when a patient has been subject to the provisions of the Mental Health Act 1983 and/or the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003.

A specific list of diagnoses and conditions of around 100 items is being used to underpin the code writing for the computer flagging system."



 
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If you are renewing your certs and you have not had any recordable medical problems, all they have to do is look at previous form they completed and copy paste .
Hardly see that justifies a charge of £200.00
 
£46 from my GP. Still not done after 2 weeks.
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That's a good price! Is that inclusive of VAT?
I dropped my form into my local surgery on Friday, and was told it will be done by middle of this week.
£50 + VAT (which I'll claim back, obviously).
 
That's a good price! Is that inclusive of VAT?
I dropped my form into my local surgery on Friday, and was told it will be done by middle of this week.
£50 + VAT (which I'll claim back, obviously).
VAT - interesting :-| Mine was a flat rate of £40 to do it (up to 4 weeks) or £80 for an expedited service. Keen to get it moving, I paid the £80 (no mention of VAT) and it was done the following day.
 
It seems the best place to learn about how Fees are set was to look at the advice given to GPs on the British Medical Association's website. While I was about it, I read the separate section on Firearms Licensing, and the role that GPs should play in the process which the BMA has now agreed with the NPCC and the Home Office.

This lays out the various stages within the FAC/SGC Application when the police notify your doctor that you've applied, and been granted a certificate at the end. There are a series of different markers (clinical codes) put on your NHS Online Patient Record at each point. I've just been through all this with Cambs a fortnight ago (ONLY 12 DAYS AFTER MY FAC EXPIRED!:) ), so have watched all these alerts pop up on my medical record. There are at least a dozen of these in code, and plain language.

As we all know, completing the medical proforma isn't part of a GP's contract with the NHS. The legal responsibility for it lies with the senior doctors within the practice, which is usually one of the practice partners. This is a medical assessment of the patients medical condition so is classed as a factual statement taking 15 minutes of the Gp's time, or 20-30 minutes if it's not straight forward. His or her liability for signing it is now covered by the standard NHS indemnity. I paid £50, which seems to be the standard amount in this County. Methinks the fee goes direct to the GP principal who signs the form rather than the practice.

The practice may also add VAT to the fee, as any service provided by doctors is to enable a third party organisation to decide a course of action is subject to VAT according to HMRC. The BMA say it is working on a fees calculator for practices to use, so those FAC/SGC applicants who renewed some time ago might have a shock on their coming renewal.

In addition to confirming the applicant's own declaration that he/she isn't suffering from,or being treated for any of the 'notifiable' medical conditions, there are ten times as many other conditions assigned an NHS clinical code which trigger an indicator automatically on the patient's online record. I don't know what these are, but reporting them to the police is left to the GP's discretion. I'd advise anyone reading this to bookmark the links at the bottom. The concluding bit of the 1st link sounds ominous:-

"The list above is not intended to be exhaustive. Doctors should consider any other mental or physical condition which may affect the individual’s safe possession of a firearm or shotgun, now or in the future.

See also sections 3.34 and 3.35 when a patient has been subject to the provisions of the Mental Health Act 1983 and/or the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003.

A specific list of diagnoses and conditions of around 100 items is being used to underpin the code writing for the computer flagging system."



The issue is that the GPs don't have to add the markers, or agree to tell the FLD of any new conditions etc, they are only asked to do it.

If they did add the markers and sign something legally binding to inform the FLD of any new conditions then there would be no need for a medical at each renewal.

I asked my FLD this and their response was that " we can't make them do it so have no way to know if they do add a marker or will tell us of any new conditions, therefore we will ask for the medical each time." This is why using Medcert or similar is just an arse covering exercise that gives you a snapshot to say nothing of concern is in your records at that current time but with no way of making your local GP do anything for future incidents.

It's not about public safety, it's the police following a coroner's recommendation to shift blame when another incident occurs.
 
No, they are not allowed to.

Shhot themselves in the foot a bit here. Tried to charge me £220, went to Medcert, GP still has the work of supplying the records but gets no income
My GPs denied recieving the request for my records from Medcert despite the latter having sent it by recorded delivery then refused to send them the records, stating they were not being paid to do so. 🙄
 
I am so glad for the system here. For my annual hunting licence and when I apply for a new weapon permit, I tick a box to confirm the police can access a redacted form of my medical file and that is it. I'm not sure they ever actually do it as this year when I renewed my hunting licence it was approved by the police within 20 minutes. They cannot have had enough time to check.
I'm shocked at the difference from one practice to another in the UK.
 
I am so glad for the system here. For my annual hunting licence and when I apply for a new weapon permit, I tick a box to confirm the police can access a redacted form of my medical file and that is it. I'm not sure they ever actually do it as this year when I renewed my hunting licence it was approved by the police within 20 minutes. They cannot have had enough time to check.
I'm shocked at the difference from one practice to another in the UK.
But the flip side of the coin is that we're not encumbered with having to apply for an annual hunting licence.
 
But the flip side of the coin is that we're not encumbered with having to apply for an annual hunting licence.
Yes you are right about that. Although it only takes 10 minutes online. There is also an additional cost, but that hunting licence means that the other red tape everyone talks about in the UK is almost non existent.
 
Yes you are right about that. Although it only takes 10 minutes online. There is also an additional cost, but that hunting licence means that the other red tape everyone talks about in the UK is almost non existent.
I think a lot of people's talk about the red tape surrounding hunting in the UK is vastly exaggerated. Basically, people just like a good moan!
We can shoot deer all year round, in unlimited quantities, on any land where we can secure permission, and sell the carcasses. There is no limit on the number of firearms an individual can own, and even a child of 14 can obtain a firearms certificate and shoot unaccompanied. There are no formal qualifications needed, and no compulsory insurance requirements.
Seems pretty lenient really, when you consider the situation in some other countries.
 
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