Media misinformation and narrative.
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to paraphrase Mark Twain too much Guiness is barely enough.Wrong thread!! Who said too much Guinness???
Pete_Cambs
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Like I said, unless vitally necessary so if you’re protecting live stock then clearly there is a need but for general numbers control or just to protect a golf course large putting greens I’d suggest winter would be a more sensible time.
Pigeons and crows come under the general licences so by that very nature you need to have a necessary justification to shoot them, namely protection of crops and livestock.
For transparency I’m not an experienced fox shooter at all, just seems logical to me given we’re managing a population as opposed to eradicating it.
Nope rubbish .....why should we hang our head in shame and hide in a corner ?
As said after you it's often a chance to educate
I won't "hide" because of what I do ...and it's had f*ck all impact on my career
Paul
I would have thought that the worst time for fox damage would be early spring through the summer months when worms and bugs are active and the foxes are trying to dig them up.
I shoot crows year round at a small holding as there are always sheep about but particularly at this time of year with lambs being born.
The owner of that small holding took 52 foxes off his 5 acre field the first year he took it over. The population had just got out of hand with his neighbours constantly losing fowl to the foxes year round.
Now the fox population is more reasonable and not causing as big an issue, but not totally eradicated.
TringSaint
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In my line of work you don’t scream me shout that you spent your free time culling deer - doesn’t really go down well with potential customers.
If I had a different job, like a farmer/plumber/builder, etc or if I wasn’t in a revenue generating role then maybe, but as it is, I keep my head down esp on forums like linked in!
Cootmeurer
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The antis/greens always like to find sources that explain why hunting is not necessary. When confronted with facts and data they then revert to the emotional response.
Not foxes, rather wolves, but some data out of Wisconsin suggests they don’t eat the deer (which we could already guess) but like livestock and pets.
Not foxes, rather wolves, but some data out of Wisconsin suggests they don’t eat the deer (which we could already guess) but like livestock and pets.
Absolutely. As a self employed person I try to keep it to myself unless the particular work I'm doing is tied to the shooting industry or another business or someone in the shooting industry mentions my company which does happen. Needless to say I don't want my clients or new neighbours knowing I shoot, let alone hunt. People can disagree but when your mortgage relies on the money your business makes then I'm not risking it
I have to agree with TringSaint on this one as well, for me as a younger guy in my 20s starting out in the corporate world, I wouldnt dream of opening my mouth about anything hunting or firearm related due to the potential effects on my career.
I don't scream about it in .y ki e kf work either
But if your asked what you got up to etc at weekend ill say what I was doing.....
Conversation over lunch is particularly relevant..... if you get someone questioning it usually replied back with what are you eating? Oh the chicken. .... do you know where that came from or how it was raised ?
Then chance to educate comes in ...
I now have colleagues looking for game from me regularly.
Try speaking to folk.... you might be surprised.
Paul
TringSaint
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There are ppl at work who know what I do, but I won’t post anything in LI because that is my corporate shop window.
And yet many of your fellow countryman say your media isn't biased or controlled.... Smh...I was reading a news article on foxes on a golf course being controlled and reading the comments with the absolute uproar about it and everyone calling for the golf course to go out of business (which I have no doubt will happen)
I decided to put a comment on stating that although it’s sad foxes need to be controlled that people need to remember that foxes will predate dogs, cats ground nesting birds and anything else they can get their teeth into and foxes won’t do well in populations that are too dense as food availability will be an issue.
I immediately received a comment about how I was talking nonsense and that foxes “DO NOT” predate on cats and dogs.
I personally know of several cats and 2 dogs (one a pup, the other a teacup type yorkie) that were taken by foxes - the pup was taken while the owner watched from the door when the dog was let out for a pee.
So I thought I’d pull up YouTube and Google to get a video to show that they do - to my surprise the main title after the search goes on about how foxes don’t predate on cats and dogs and no vids of it, but the videos were of lefty type “professors” stating how foxes whiny kill cats!
Absolute nonsense and call cynical but I feel the narrative has been influenced by lefty idiots with a Disney complex….
There's nothing in @gixer 1's post that suggests that the original mainstream media item (a news article) was biased.
Most of his observation is referencing the uneducated comments and social media posts that followed, and once you start looking the algorithm will throw you more of the same. That's how it works.
sikamalc
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Foxes will kill and eat cats..............100%.
Many many years back I ran a small 2000 bird shoot on the estate I lived on. There was an old barn at the front of the estate, long gone, it burnt down, thanks to local yobs. This area held about 30 to 40 farm yard cats, of various colour and state of repair!
The local fox population on the estate was huge, and cats were on the menu. On starting the shoot we decided on a snaring campaign. Off 250 acres, over a one year period, between me and another friend, we snared and shot 362 foxes. This was way back in the mid 1970's when for a short time you could earn up to £20 a fox pelt. This only lasted a year or two, then the bottom fell out of the trade. Not that we sold everyone, no indeed. Some nights we were catching 3 to 4 in snares, and could be asked to skin everyone. And much depended on the grade of fur, and only to be taken from around late November through to late January. If I remember rightly.
From memory there were about 7 dens on the main part of the estate, and just about everyone had the remains of dead cats outside. Usually the spine attached to the bottom part of the back legs. Sometimes with the odd color and name tag laying nearby.
Iv'e never seen a Fox take a dog, but would not be surprised if one of those tiny toy dogs was a target.
The anti hunting, cuddly animal brigade have no idea about wildlife and the countryside. They are all living in a world of their own, totally distanced from reality at times.
Many many years back I ran a small 2000 bird shoot on the estate I lived on. There was an old barn at the front of the estate, long gone, it burnt down, thanks to local yobs. This area held about 30 to 40 farm yard cats, of various colour and state of repair!
The local fox population on the estate was huge, and cats were on the menu. On starting the shoot we decided on a snaring campaign. Off 250 acres, over a one year period, between me and another friend, we snared and shot 362 foxes. This was way back in the mid 1970's when for a short time you could earn up to £20 a fox pelt. This only lasted a year or two, then the bottom fell out of the trade. Not that we sold everyone, no indeed. Some nights we were catching 3 to 4 in snares, and could be asked to skin everyone. And much depended on the grade of fur, and only to be taken from around late November through to late January. If I remember rightly.
From memory there were about 7 dens on the main part of the estate, and just about everyone had the remains of dead cats outside. Usually the spine attached to the bottom part of the back legs. Sometimes with the odd color and name tag laying nearby.
Iv'e never seen a Fox take a dog, but would not be surprised if one of those tiny toy dogs was a target.
The anti hunting, cuddly animal brigade have no idea about wildlife and the countryside. They are all living in a world of their own, totally distanced from reality at times.
Although I’m not leftie, the environmental impact of golf courses is horrific, any natural vegetation is nuked, poisoning the water source, copper sulphate to kill worms and huge water consumption so that the fattest more boring people on the planet can talk utter shite with their low level ‘director’ chums whilst comparing who can finance the most boring euro box and how many awful cruises they have been on with their ‘trophy’ wife (when she isn’t getting plugged at her weekly ‘tennis lesson’…) in this instance it’s the golf course that’s the problem, not the foxes.
And it’s started!
Got this via Change.org
Got this via Change.org
There's big difference between perceived bias in the mainstream media (eg, BBC) and what some individual nutter chooses to post on their social media.
Your own social media posts are decidedly biased, but that's your personal bias, not because you're being controlled (I don't think). I wouldn't form an opinion on bias in American mainstream media based on your biased social media posts. That would be silly. The two are completely separate.
Freeforester
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Anyone who thinks they’re getting truthful and objective reporting from the mad left media needs to think rather carefully about the past couple of decades, and what has turned out to be mis- and disinformation. The fact that the media are both silent about the anomalous deaths, cancer rates and other issues, and were wholly complicit in spinning the ‘safe and effective’ “vaccine/booster” narrative when the excess mortality figures are now so alarmingly high, yet still go completely unreported, as if this is a normal occurrence is indicative of how far the propaganda machine is willing to mislead and harm the people of this country.
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