Metropolitan Police officer arrested

[Woodsmoke]

Interesting position to take. Would you indulge me for a moment and explain what sort of "less-than-worthy" qualities would be weeded out by intentionally excluding any members of our community/society? Bear in mind that the vetting process already seeks to exclude criminals or those with criminal connections.

Sure. I mean those who have the moral lassitude to treat their position as a police officer to buck the system. Much in the same way we expect the highest level of integrity from politicians. And yes, I know we're sadly disappointed in that respect. It would appear we're also seeing more and more instances of serving police officers being found guilty of criminal activity. Drugs, bribery, rape and other sexual misconduct, etc.

 

[Mungo]

I had two postings with our "Internal Affairs".

That was hung above my desk.

That must have been fascinating, if extremely tricky.

 

[Pedro]

The saddest thing, after the death of a young woman, is that when I heard a policeman had been arrested I wasn't even surprised which just measures how much my opinion of the police has sunk over the years.

David.

So, Kalahari, what do you do for a living?........................

 

[Rake Aboot]

" I certainly believe that the trend for inclusiveness, political correctness, and (dare I say it?) across-the-board equality has a lot to answer for. Sure, in principle those concepts are worthy and laudable; in reality though, I think they merely open the doors to those with less-than-worthy qualities that perhaps would be weeded "

So what do they have to do with the moral lassitude mentioned above. Seems like the question has not been answered.

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Scheise, I was only starting the thread to show amazement that something has happened in Deal, the last big event there was the IRA RM bandsmens assassination in September 1989.
Sorry to have dragged on up the police slaggers.

 

[sh1kar]

I had two postings with our "Internal Affairs".

That was hung above my desk.

Indeed but I thought the basis of Peel philosophy is that we, the people, do

S

 

[Woodsmoke]

Sorry to have dragged on up the police slaggers.

I hope I don't come across as one of them, as that's really not what what I intend. I hold police officers in general in great respect, but that respect is countered with a proportional opposite response when any of them ignore the behaviour they demand of the rest of us.

 

[Stalker62]

Indeed but I thought the basis of Peel philosophy is that we, the people, do

Fancy Latin phrases aside - absolutely.

My post was merely to reinforce that I recognised that very point. It is exactly how Policing in this country should operate.

In my rather clumsy way, I was trying to explain that very point - that we "the Police" are nothing other than the public trying to "police" the public.

Those that choose to do so (enlist) are rightly held to a higher level of accountability; than those who are wise enough not to do so.

I do not (did not) differentiate from those who broke the law; be they Police or non-Police (all are civilians).

To confirm earlier posts - Police Officers who broke the law and were convicted of such, are handed down a more punitive sentence than those who were not "Police". Rightly so.

It is sad when anyone breaks the law. It is tragic when a Police Officer breaks the law. Both happen. Both continue to happen. Both will always happen.

That is the joy and curse of humanity.

 

[kes]

The very first sentence of your post has me doubting you.
I was 30 years in the job, in several specialist roles and never came close to "seeing all aspects of police and police work"
I would go as far as to say that I do not know of anyone who could make such a claim.
Can you please enlighten me and explain as to how you can

I worked in emergency planning over a period of years and of 4 major incidents from phosgene gas escapes to critical storm damage affecting the motorway network. Was the Chairman of a Safety Camera partnership. Asked for and went out with traffic police on a number of issues. Worked on police accident data - with police from motorcycle cops to normal traffic guys. Went on late night community partnership evenings in the town centres. Was asked to give evidence (which might have resulted in my liability) in a police sergeants death on the local roads CID. Worked with (i.e. as observer) to drugs raids and evidence gathering as part of community reassurance in the worst areas. Went on normal patrols with WPC's. Attended facial recongition seminars as part of town centre crime initiative and took police officers to the system manufacturers to assess capability (something to do with the aftermath of explosives at the time). Worked (observer) on crowd control at football matches. Worked with senor active officers on emergency planning preparation on many occassions (timely then). Went to and investigated the police firearms function (my request) and talked to the police armourer. Suggested the sale rather than destruction of seized shotguns and firearms (to save money). Participated in service specific Best Value reviews. and so forth. Probably a bit more than your average police officer.
I have presented an accident data review to police regarding the poor recording of data - this to a force's entire traffic enforcement unit, some 40 officers with the Chief Con present, they were rude to the CC but not me. I even offered to buy them GPS devices to get a better and more effective fix on crash locations. Worked with the local commissioner. This is by no means all but I have seen constables to inspectors to CID to ACC, DCC and CC levels. Police canteens are very good and very cheap these days.
All of this, as well as my day job - some in my own time, some not.
I have had the perhaps unique favour of a police escort home after one major incident as a thank you for my input.
Does this satisfy your concern - probably not.

 

[sh1kar]

Don’t tell them your name Pike!
S

 

[bobthedug]

I worked in emergency planning over a period of years and of 4 major incidents from phosgene gas escapes to critical storm damage affecting the motorway network. Was the Chairman of a Safety Camera partnership. Asked for and went out with traffic police on a number of issues. Worked on police accident data - with police from motorcycle cops to normal traffic guys. Went on late night community partnership evenings in the town centres. Was asked to give evidence (which might have resulted in my liability) in a police sergeants death on the local roads CID. Worked with (i.e. as observer) to drugs raids and evidence gathering as part of community reassurance in the worst areas. Went on normal patrols with WPC's. Attended facial recongition seminars as part of town centre crime initiative and took police officers to the system manufacturers to assess capability (something to do with the aftermath of explosives at the time). Worked (observer) on crowd control at football matches. Worked with senor active officers on emergency planning preparation on many occassions (timely then). Went to and investigated the police firearms function (my request) and talked to the police armourer. Suggested the sale rather than destruction of seized shotguns and firearms (to save money). Participated in service specific Best Value reviews. and so forth. Probably a bit more than your average police officer.
I have presented an accident data review to police regarding the poor recording of data - this to a force's entire traffic enforcement unit, some 40 officers with the Chief Con present, they were rude to the CC but not me. I even offered to buy them GPS devices to get a better and more effective fix on crash locations. Worked with the local commissioner. This is by no means all but I have seen constables to inspectors to CID to ACC, DCC and CC levels. Police canteens are very good and very cheap these days.
All of this, as well as my day job - some in my own time, some not.
I have had the perhaps unique favour of a police escort home after one major incident as a thank you for my input.
Does this satisfy your concern - probably not.

Nope. But then again you already knew it wouldn't.
You strike me as very like the chap in Hot Fuzz who ran the town cctv.
Your resume does not come close to seeing all aspects of police work.
The majority of what you mentioned has been in a controlled or sterile environment.
However, you crack on believing you have a vast experience of front line policing

 

[kes]

Its so good to hear a police officer who did not leave early because he didn't get high enough for a better pension.
Insults like yours are unnecessary and in this case you are wrong. Maybe you would like to suggest what unsterile environments you were in at a senior level?
This is my last comment as "mine" is big enough thank you.

 

[Dodder]

A very sorry tale and IMO made worse due to the fact that it would appear that someone who should be protecting the public has sadly perpetrated this crime. I personally don't feel that this reflects badly on the rest of the force, the vast majority of whom do a good job under often difficult circumstances. Assuming he is guilty and gets convicted I don't imagine for one minute he will have a pleasant time in prison.....

A terrible thing for the victims family but the officer arrested also has a family including young children and they sadly are also the innocent victims in all of this.

 

[Shabz]

My favourite police officers are the ones who completely failed to protect thousands of young girls across northern England from paedophile grooming gangs. The ones who preferred to arrest the victims because they were just little (12 year old) slags anyway.

Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that it was a copper.
Obviously he’s still innocent though, it’s clearly just a coincidence that they found her body after talking to him for a bit.

I’m not a ‘police slagger’ either, usually. Just trying to balance out the sycophants.

 

[20-250]

Nope. But then again you already knew it wouldn't.
You strike me as very like the chap in Hot Fuzz who ran the town cctv.
Your resume does not come close to seeing all aspects of police work.
The majority of what you mentioned has been in a controlled or sterile environment.
However, you crack on believing you have a vast experience of front line policing

Must admit, whenever I was interviewing on a murder or drug-related shooting investigation, first thing I did was ring a bloke who used to look after speed traps and emergency planning, because he knew about all aspects of policing.

 

[Stalker62]

I’m not a ‘police slagger’ either, usually. Just trying to balance out the sycophants.

Simply not true.
Your post on this (and other threads) tell a different story.

No problem with those who hold the Police to account - that is what must be done in a free society.
No denying that they sometimes fall short. They are human and come with human failings.

To refer to those that hold alternative views to you as "sycophants" , says rather more about you than it does them.

 

[finnbear270]

 

[jon 12]

Unfortunately everyone seems to have forgotten that a young lady has lost her life in a horrific incident, what occupation the alleged perpetrator undertakes is in my opinion not important at THIS time. There is good and bad in every walk of life from the humble road sweeper all the way to the Royal family and everything in between, including all Government departments, high Court judges and religious sectors. This thread appears to have turned in to a pi**ing competition between serving and time served members of the police force stating what they did or didn't do during their careers.
If the arrested person is later charged and convicted them the investigations can start in to the how's and why's
Before I get slated, i have been a civil servant for nearly 30 years but what I have done and were is my business and private to me and the colleagues I worked with at the time.

 

[CarlW]

I blame BASC.

 

[Oracle]

Some of the "aspects of policing and police work" I fondly remember in my 40 years policing..... long tours of duty, unsociable hours, excessive travelling, days away from home and loved ones, being assaulted, spat at, kicked, threatened with knives and other sharps, complaints and investigations, lack of support from senior officers, attempts by defence lawyers to smear and cast doubt on your personal character and integrity, pre-planned and spontaneous firearms ops which shred your nerves.........