That doesn’t affect the lines on my rifle though
I’ve shot next to people with brakes on (even those big old clamshell style ones) and never found it that bad TBH. But each to their own.
Moderator vs Muzzle Brake
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That doesn’t affect the lines on my rifle though
I’ve shot next to people with brakes on (even those big old clamshell style ones) and never found it that bad TBH. But each to their own.
That doesn’t affect the lines on my rifle though
I’ve shot next to people with brakes on (even those big old clamshell style ones) and never found it that bad TBH. But each to their own.
I gave up trying to shoot if the guy in the next door lane had a muzzle brake...I was being physically buffeted and deafened...no way could my shooting not be affected. Just a waste of my ammunition. I would just wait until they had finished.
After many complaints and one particularly bad example of short barrel and muzzle brake the MRDC has actually banned them. The range is in an old railway tunnel so you are all in there amongst every reflected sound. One can shoot without a moderator but why would you want to?
The aesthetic lines of the rifle have never concerned me when I am shooting it...I am looking at a target not at the rifle...I can take any moderator off if I want to look at the rifle or show off its sculptural form!
Alan
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Having done more research, my attention has been drawn to suppressor/moderator-ready muzzle breaks which are quite a big thing across the pond.
Surefire seems to be a popular choice but I can't find anyone in the UK who imports them, unfortunately google only gives me results for airsoft replica suppressors.
Anyone had any experience with these?
Surefire seems to be a popular choice but I can't find anyone in the UK who imports them, unfortunately google only gives me results for airsoft replica suppressors.
Anyone had any experience with these?
kennyc
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I tried a brake on the range yesterday for the first time on my .308, compared to the Mod it usually wears the target picture was retained fully so that I could see the impacts at 600 yds, normaly the impacts are over before the sight picture is settled (without a mod the sight picture is usually one or two targets to the left 
) I can with good technique equal the brake, but it proved to be a lot easier than the mod (wildcat ) I also have an ASE utra, much heavier but same general behaviour.
the other advantage was no heat mirage off the mod after a few shots.
the break didn't upset anyone and wasn't too much louder than the rifle unmoderated, brake was a pepperpot style cheapie, and I was impressed at its effectiveness (in fact I was impressed it didnt fly down the range at the first shot
I bought after reading a recomendation on here)
) I can with good technique equal the brake, but it proved to be a lot easier than the mod (wildcat ) I also have an ASE utra, much heavier but same general behaviour.the other advantage was no heat mirage off the mod after a few shots.
the break didn't upset anyone and wasn't too much louder than the rifle unmoderated, brake was a pepperpot style cheapie, and I was impressed at its effectiveness (in fact I was impressed it didnt fly down the range at the first shot
I bought after reading a recomendation on here)I tried a brake on the range yesterday for the first time on my .308, compared to the Mod it usually wears the target picture was retained fully so that I could see the impacts at 600 yds, normaly the impacts are over before the sight picture is settled (without a mod the sight picture is usually one or two targets to the left
the other advantage was no heat mirage off the mod after a few shots.
the break didn't upset anyone and wasn't too much louder than the rifle unmoderated, brake was a pepperpot style cheapie, and I was impressed at its effectiveness (in fact I was impressed it didnt fly down the range at the first shot
I dont think rifles are any louder with a brake than without - its just the direction of the blast that changes. Without the brake the blast goes forward and with a brake it goes sideways.
I like the pepperpot style brakes personally because they diffuse the blast quite well in all directions and are pretty unobtrusive. I also think this style of brake stops the muzzle jumping around when you let off a shot. Certainly with my win mag the recoil is a straight push backwards with the brake on but with the mod or with nothing the muzzle really jumps upwards.
I also totally agree about the heat haze on moderators. In summer its impossible to take more than about 2-3 shots with a mod on before you have to leave the rifle for 15 mins to cool down again. I usually bring two rifles to the range if I'm shooting moderated so I can alternate haha!
I got mine from Pinkney engineering on eBay and I think it was about £20 all in! Brilliant bit of kit and very well made.
kennyc
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they have gone up to £28 now, and it was your recomendation I followed
kennyc
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I would like one of the large ported "Barrett" types, but am too cheap to spend the coinThey both have there place and I use both , but I find if iam at the range a nice ASBO pepper pot stuck on the end tends to keep the lane crossers at bay ,as no one won't to be next to one pmsl
I saw a club member set fire to the grass on the firing point with one once, it was awesome 
Swedish
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A pal of mine uses a similar style of brake on his .308. He recounted a funny tale about messing about with it and getting the orientation wrong when he and his shooting buddy were on their private target practice area. He took a shot swiftly followed by twigs and leaves raining down from above and then down below it blew his coffee out of his mug all over his trousers!I would like one of the large ported "Barrett" types, but am too cheap to spend the coin
Isn't that what we are talking about?
If that sailor blows and has no sail he goes backwards.
Put up a sail and he goes nowhere. There's your recoil reduction.
Both brakes and moderators work to reduce recoil in the same way, but they differ in what they do with the gases after the recoil reduction process.
Both reduce recoil by the baffles inside the item catching the gasses from the barrel like the sails on a boat. If the mod or brake wasnt screwed onto the barrel it would go flying down range at this point, but because they ARE screwed to the barrel they basically pull the rifle forwards away from the shooter and in doing so reduce recoil.
Brakes can also further reduce recoil by directing the exhaust gasses rewards, further pulling the rifle forward and away from the shooters shoulder. Not all of them do this, it depends on the style of the brake.
The only difference between mods and brakes is that mods contain the gasses to reduce noise and brakes direct the gasses sideways or rear-wards, thereby creating the perception of the report being louder... And offending those of a delicate sensibility
Both reduce recoil by the baffles inside the item catching the gasses from the barrel like the sails on a boat. If the mod or brake wasnt screwed onto the barrel it would go flying down range at this point, but because they ARE screwed to the barrel they basically pull the rifle forwards away from the shooter and in doing so reduce recoil.
Brakes can also further reduce recoil by directing the exhaust gasses rewards, further pulling the rifle forward and away from the shooters shoulder. Not all of them do this, it depends on the style of the brake.
The only difference between mods and brakes is that mods contain the gasses to reduce noise and brakes direct the gasses sideways or rear-wards, thereby creating the perception of the report being louder... And offending those of a delicate sensibility
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Both brakes and moderators work to reduce recoil in the same way, but they differ in what they do with the gases after the recoil reduction process.
Both reduce recoil by the baffles inside the item catching the gasses from the barrel like the sails on a boat. If the mod or brake wasnt screwed onto the barrel it would go flying down range at this point, but because they ARE screwed to the barrel they basically pull the rifle forwards away from the shooter and in doing so reduce recoil.
Brakes can also further reduce recoil by directing the exhaust gasses rewards, further pulling the rifle forward and away from the shooters shoulder. Not all of them do this, it depends on the style of the brake.
The only difference between mods and brakes is that mods contain the gasses to reduce noise and brakes direct the gasses sideways or rear-wards, thereby creating the perception of the report being louder... And offending those of a delicate sensibility
Being one of those with a delicate sensibility who likes to shoot without being buffeted by my anti-social neighbour's muzzle blast; I would politely like to disagree slightly with your analysis that both work in the same way. Any pressure against the back of the moderator baffles is only relative to the chamber...at that point it is a closed system and the gasses can not have any geo knowledge or effect. The muzzle brake gasses are diverted and the jet thrust rearwards is relative to the baffle/aperture surfaces and the atmosphere.
If you plugged the barrel and discharged a blank in the rifle the same pressure would be hitting the back of the plug...and that would not cause the rifle to move away from the shoulder would it? A balloon or gas cylinder doesn't move unless you make a hole in it.
It is only when the discharge pushes against the atmosphere that it can have any geo related effect and move the rifle mass backwards...by slowing down the jet effect by delaying/diverting some of the gasses into the moderator baffles the recoil is reduced. By redirecting those slowed and exiting gasses towards your fellow shooters behind on each side; the muzzle brake has a much greater recoil reductive effect.
Incidentally the sail analogy was explored on this very subject a few months ago...dinghies are pulled along rather than pushed due to the convex/concave form of their main and jib sails and the reduction of pressure over the convex surface due to the speeding up of the flow like an aeroplane wing profile. Any direct recoil reduction effect the moderator baffles may have would be by being pulled along by vacuum created by the non-diverted gasses as they went past...try dangling the convex side of a desert spoon under the flow from the tap and it gets pulled in...
Alan
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