Moderators off ticket tomorrow then ..

[Nimrod1960]

Well I've just tried to buy a Moderator from a dealer in the Thanes Valley and they have been informed that Mods still have to be recorded therefore have to be sold from RFD to RFD and recorded on the receiving FC!!

 

[Rake Aboot]

Well I've just tried to buy a Moderator from a dealer in the Thanes Valley and they have been informed that Mods still have to be recorded therefore have to be sold from RFD to RFD and recorded on the receiving FC!!

They are completely wrong and can’t do their job

They need educated .

 

[BLUEROLL]

I would still recommend anyone doing their renewal right now to simply list them and be safe.
Afterall if they do the opposite and end up in a wrangle then no one on here is going to help!!

I submitted my renewal on the 10th of June (15 weeks and 6 days prior) to D&C with all of the moderators listed, so it will be interesting to see what comes back on the new cert.

 

[TringSaint]

They are completely wrong and can’t do their job

They need educated .

But this is the knub of the issue. Just because legislation says one thing, the police may insist on a different process until they have internally identified the correct process.

You can say that they are wrong all you like, and legally you are probably right, but you, me and every other firearms license holder doesn’t make the rules, they do. So until they have caught up, you may find that buying, selling and shipping of mods remains the same kind of process as today

 

[Liveonce]

But this is the knub of the issue. Just because legislation says one thing, the police may insist on a different process until they have internally identified the correct process.

You can say that they are wrong all you like, and legally you are probably right, but you, me and every other firearms license holder doesn’t make the rules, they do. So until they have caught up, you may find that buying, selling and shipping of mods remains the same kind of process as today

neither do the police make the rules.

 

[Rake Aboot]

But this is the knub of the issue. Just because legislation says one thing, the police may insist on a different process until they have internally identified the correct process.

You can say that they are wrong all you like, and legally you are probably right, but you, me and every other firearms license holder doesn’t make the rules, they do. So until they have caught up, you may find that buying, selling and shipping of mods remains the same kind of process as today

They don’t make the rules
And ignorance of the law is no excuse applies to them as well

 

[20-250]

But this is the knub of the issue. Just because legislation says one thing, the police may insist on a different process until they have internally identified the correct process.

You can say that they are wrong all you like, and legally you are probably right, but you, me and every other firearms license holder doesn’t make the rules, they do. So until they have caught up, you may find that buying, selling and shipping of mods remains the same kind of process as today

They can insist that you stick your thumb up your backside and whistle if they feel like it. Makes no odds.
You're at liberty to refuse and to go to a vendor who understands the law to buy your new moderator whatever the police think. Why are you so scared of them?
Being a doormat is a weird way to live your life.

 

[BenBhoy]

Allcocks & cluny country will both post mods to your home address with photo evidence of your ticket. Been to my rfd today & he said as far as he concerned I can buy as many mods from his shop as i can afford. I bought none!

 

[Mardler]

I submitted my renewal on the 10th of June (15 weeks and 6 days prior) to D&C with all of the moderators listed, so it will be interesting to see what comes back on the new cert.

Just received my renewal FAC today - norfolk - moderators not listed on the new
I know everyone's experiece with renewals varys dependant on region, but personally cant fault it here
Bit of a postcode lottery which is a shame

 

[TringSaint]

They can insist that you stick your thumb up your backside and whistle if they feel like it. Makes no odds.
You're at liberty to refuse and to go to a vendor who understands the law to buy your new moderator whatever the police think. Why are you so scared of them?
Being a doormat is a weird way to live your life.

Living with a solicitor who is ex police, you hear a few stories about how they operate.
My general rule of thumb is not to go round poking bears with sharpened sticks just for the sake of it.
I like an easy life and I don’t intend to change that approach any time soon. It’s worked out ok for me so far!!

 

[TringSaint]

neither do the police make the rules.

So how come we have had mentor conditions on licenses when there is nothing in firearms law saying that they are needed??
I believe that was something that the police unilaterally decided to do and if you wanted to shoot on land then you had to jump through their hoop.
The same now happens if you want to shoot on land as some fld’s will insist on you having an actual permission to shoot on - no permission no stalking or vermin. None of this is enshrined in firearms law, but the police add their interpretation.

Herts police insist on having bolts stored separately from rifles - nothing in firearms law that requires that to be the case, but if you don’t have a separate storage safe for bolts then they won’t sign you off.
And there are variable rules about when you need extra security. Not in firearms law, but they make the rules as they see fit. Don’t like it then you don’t get a ticket.
So, you think they don’t make the rules??

 

[Emilio]

They do not make the rules, they uphold the rules.

 

[20-250]

Living with a solicitor who is ex police, you hear a few stories about how they operate.

My experience of solicitors with a police background is that they have an incredible chip on their shoulders. Maybe you'd do well to have your own opinion.

 

[M@tt]

Herts police insist on having bolts stored separately from rifles - nothing in firearms law that requires that to be the case, but if you don’t have a separate storage safe for bolts then they won’t sign you off.

No, they don't, certainly not routinely. I would like to see the wording of that condition, I am genuinely interested.

Perhaps it comes under the bit in the statutory guidance where chief constables can make conditions regarding the possession/use of firearms on an FAC based on the individual circumstances of each application.

They obviously thought you needed the extra measures to meet the safe storage requirements.


I don't know anyone in one of my clubs of over 200 members that has a remove bolt condition on their FAC, most are from Herts.

 

[Robby56]

Ent this bin a bit dun to death? I'm fed up o' readin' about it

 

[Liveonce]

So how come we have had mentor conditions on licenses when there is nothing in firearms law saying that they are needed??
I believe that was something that the police unilaterally decided to do and if you wanted to shoot on land then you had to jump through their hoop.
The same now happens if you want to shoot on land as some fld’s will insist on you having an actual permission to shoot on - no permission no stalking or vermin. None of this is enshrined in firearms law, but the police add their interpretation.

Herts police insist on having bolts stored separately from rifles - nothing in firearms law that requires that to be the case, but if you don’t have a separate storage safe for bolts then they won’t sign you off.
And there are variable rules about when you need extra security. Not in firearms law, but they make the rules as they see fit. Don’t like it then you don’t get a ticket.
So, you think they don’t make the rules??

Simply because the mentoring can be interpreted as the Chief Constable ensuring the applicant gains sufficient experience and is safe to use the firearm. The scope the Chief Constable has regarding ensuring the applicant is a safe, fit and proper person to own firearms is limitless within the firearms act.

As for the permission issue not sure I understand you, of course you need permission to shoot on the land otherwise it’s armed trespass. Typically permission can be from the land owner, occupier or someone with the sporting rights.

As for storing bolts separately that requires you to push back and not yield to demands that have no bases in law. I store all my rifles with their bolts in place.

 

[TringSaint]

Simply because the mentoring can be interpreted as the Chief Constable ensuring the applicant gains sufficient experience and is safe to use the firearm. The scope the Chief Constable has regarding ensuring the applicant is a safe, fit and proper person to own firearms is limitless within the firearms act.

As for the permission issue not sure I understand you, of course you need permission to shoot on the land otherwise it’s armed trespass. Typically permission can be from the land owner, occupier or someone with the sporting rights.

As for storing bolts separately that requires you to push back and not yield to demands that have no bases in law. I store all my rifles with their bolts in place.

You miss my point like a rushed shot!

All of these are conditional rules that FLD’s apply at will to license holders, all of which have no basis in firearm legislation. If you don’t comply then you don’t get your license.
No if’s, no but’s.
The police interpret the legislation as they see fit and apply it and other conditions to it in order to ensure that their risk level is maintained.

 

[remington65]

So how come we have had mentor conditions on licenses when there is nothing in firearms law saying that they are needed??
I believe that was something that the police unilaterally decided to do and if you wanted to shoot on land then you had to jump through their hoop.
The same now happens if you want to shoot on land as some fld’s will insist on you having an actual permission to shoot on - no permission no stalking or vermin. None of this is enshrined in firearms law, but the police add their interpretation.

Herts police insist on having bolts stored separately from rifles - nothing in firearms law that requires that to be the case, but if you don’t have a separate storage safe for bolts then they won’t sign you off.
And there are variable rules about when you need extra security. Not in firearms law, but they make the rules as they see fit. Don’t like it then you don’t get a ticket.
So, you think they don’t make the rules??

Because people like yourself cave in at the first obstacle put in your way.

 

[TringSaint]

No, they don't, certainly not routinely. I would like to see the wording of that condition, I am genuinely interested.

Perhaps it comes under the bit in the statutory guidance where chief constables can make conditions regarding the possession/use of firearms on an FAC based on the individual circumstances of each application.

They obviously thought you needed the extra measures to meet the safe storage requirements.


I don't know anyone in one of my clubs of over 200 members that has a remove bolt condition on their FAC, most are from Herts.

It’s not written on as a condition. It’s verbal.
If you refuse to comply they won’t grant. My FEO told me this when I moved to Herts.

Believe it or don’t believe it - it’s their position

 

[TringSaint]

Because people like yourself cave in at the first obstacle put in your way.

Sorry?
I didn’t cave in when I did my mentoring under TVP back
In 2011. It was their rule for every new applicant who wanted vermin / deer shooting conditions. There was NO choice.

It it really that hard to comprehend?