Muzzle loading deer stalking?
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palmer_mike
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Not exactly what your after but my .50 fast twist pedersoli shoots 480gr bullets at deer legal energy…..
It’s conditioned for deer
It’s conditioned for deer
kenbro
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Hi Mike,
Was thinking of you but when I put your name in Members it came up blank, poss. ‘cos I missed the underscore out.
Does yours meet the velocity requirement for Scotland?
Thanks, Ken.
palmer_mike
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Hi there,
I have sent you a direct message with the load data I have. Hope that helps?
I have sent you a direct message with the load data I have. Hope that helps?
palmer_mike
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Velocity might be a struggle in Scotland, I’m lucky that in England it’s all about M.E. So heavy bullets not going super quick are ok……
Bavarianbrit
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I use this site to help.
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How would you take a quick second shot if it was needed as the first did not do a good job.
palmer_mike
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One tends to be more conservative in terms of shot selection and range. I can reload within a minute (easily, not times it so don’t know exactly how long), never needed a second shot with my flintlock.
A whole lot of hypothetical situations could arise but tbh it doesn’t take a lot longer to reload a ML than a single shot break action (a matter of seconds longer rather than minutes)
Just for a little bit of a reference point.
Oracle
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Tim, historically that was the very reason why most Licensing’s authorities would not condition such rifles for quarry shooting based on the ethics/animal welfare argument; along with practical issues such as unloading, adverse weather conditions etc. Personally have no views either way as to whether a muzzle loader is the most suitable rifle to use, so long as the stalker is competent and confident in delivering a safe and humane shot on the intended quarry.
kenbro
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Tim,
I was looking for my notes because someone asked me for help in getting approval for deer stalking with a muzzle loader.
I visited the muzzle loading deer stalking several years ago but had to provide Balistics information to back up my application for a (Successful) variation.
It was a time when I was into Thompson break barrel rifles/pistol actions and at that time I had a Thompson Encore with several barrels, ie; 223/243 and 30-06.
An offer for a muzzle loading barrel came up so I bought it (50 cal) and used it to develop a load using 45 cal (50 Sabots) bullets that palmer_mike help me aquire from Germany I think.
Soon found out the the hinge pin hole (Thompsons though a take down design don’t fit together like a shotgun style with a water table. Consequently the pivot pin hole in the barrel was out of tolerance and the barrel had to be scrapped. (Returned to vendor)
There endeth my muzzle loading stalking experience as I couldn’t find another ML Tommy barrel. You seldom see T encores for sale now in UK.
In answer to your question…
My preference has always leaned towards single shot rifles and I think that sometimes I’ve passed on shots because of that.
As for follow up shots I’ve been lucky and not needed (Never shot large quantities anyway) any, but as palmer_mike says, with practice you can reload all single shot firearms pretty quickly. Sometimes quicker than some with a bolt that don’t cycle the action as a priority after a shot! Seen that happen more than once.
I think single shot firearms users, break barrel, falling block etc. including front stuffers think a bit differently that those that only use bolt guns.
Summary…follow up shot not needed, unlike those with multi shot rifles (The ones that don’t practise enough?) that need a second or third shot.
Cheers, Ken.
Ps. The modern inline muzzle loaders are something else in terms of performance.
I have shot fallow/reds/muntjac seen them go over then get up and run, with BP you will lose the sight picture!
But each to their own, just like the start of the Grand National "their off" lol
kenbro
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Quite, also from a high seat where you would be at the advantage of height but I can't see the M-L doing very well with the ram rod powder patch slug in a high seat for a second shot with a Fallow Buck turning into Red Rum.
The fallow is now on next doors land
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palmer_mike
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Lose the sight picture due to the lovely Smokey out mean? To be honest one shot doesn’t really make enough smoke to obscure the sight picture and would have fully cleared in the seconds needed to reload anyway.
If they are going to run as you describe then there wouldn’t be much chance of realistically shooting them on the run unless you’ve had a lot of practice doing that. Not many stalkers in this country practice shooting running deer unless they also shoot running game abroad
palmer_mike
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Don’t use one then Tim.Quite, also from a high seat where you would be at the advantage of height but I can't see the M-L doing very well with the ram rod powder patch slug in a high seat for a second shot with a Fallow Buck turning into Red Rum.
The fallow is now on next doors land
Those that would like to use one are well aware of the limitations and I dare say that’s part of the charm.
I have never wanted to for the very questions I asked. Too slow in all aspects that is it's charm
palmer_mike
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Fair enough, it’s not for everyone. No reason to restrict others who do wish to use them thoughI have never wanted to for the very questions I asked. Too slow in all aspects that is it's charm
I never said that just asked questions which is not stopping anyone using them!
On another note where is Bagio? As I posted about a Red i shot and was waiting for him to say it was the wrong shape/size/weight lol
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