My View of the Trump Comments, who made TRUMP?

Sidewinder

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I find all the ant-Trump comments in the UK amazing. It just shows how little you people knowabout the inner America, that region from Pennsylvania to Nevada filled withall those dumb white Americans who vote for that jerk Trump.

They are the silent majority, the people whose ancestors built America, whose grandfathers shed blood right on the beaches of Normandy next to yours. Their sons make up the vast majority of ever front line combat unit, who do the fighting and the dying. They grew up seeing every generation before them doing better than the previous one. Now that’s changed. Manufacturing jobs that propelled their parents into the middle class are now gone. Clothes and fun electronic goods are cheaper, but the important things – education, a home and a good piece of beef –are more expensive. Wages are stagnant,the middle class is shrinking….they look into their children’s eyes and they are ANGRY!

Low skilled immigrants flood across the border and they don’t see them doing jack sh^t to better their lives. They see globalization and diversity as failures and hate being called a racist for standing up against immigration and radical Islam.

George Bush created a war out of lies. Obama came promising “Hope and Change” at the Brandenburg gate and lets be more like France. Worker participation rate is the worst in decades. Race relations suck and more people are on food stamps. Rednecks don’t want food stamps, they want a job that gives them dignity. They don’t want a skinny metrosexual arrogant community organizer from Chicago. Theywant an alpha male to stand up and tell it like it is.

They see Merkel invite 1 million men of military age who come from countries in which it is state doctrine to destroy the State of Israel and America…..and they say NOT IN MY COUNTRY! How would you like it if I invited a dozen Syrians into your home? Only Putin seems to have any balls in their mind. And what’s wrong with building a wall, the pope lives behind one, so why can’t America have one.

My father worked as a construction worker on Trump’s buildings in the 80s. All the men on the job sites loved Trump because he provided near endless work for them. You want to work weekends and get paid cash double time, no problem. Be lazy Euro style, then take a walk. Trump BUILT things, and employed people….what did Merkel do before becoming a politician? What did Cameron and Hollande do?

I agree Trump will be a disaster for the global economy. But Trump has awoken a sleeping giant, and he is likely to be the next president. Who made Trump? You people did, so own him and learn to deal with him.
 
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I find all the ant-Trump comments in the UK amazing. It just shows how little you people knowabout the inner America, that region from Pennsylvania to Nevada filled withall those dumb white Americans who vote for that jerk Trump.

They are the silent majority, the people whose ancestors built America, whose grandfathers shed blood right on the beaches of Normandy next to yours. Their sons make up the vast majority of ever front line combat unit, who do the fighting and the dying. They grew up seeing every generation before them doing better than the previous one. Now that’s changed. Manufacturing jobs that propelled their parents into the middle class are now gone. Clothes and fun electronic goods are cheaper, but the important things – education, a home and a good piece of beef –are more expensive. Wages are stagnant,the middle class is shrinking….they look into their children’s eyes and they are ANGRY!

Low skilled immigrants flood across the border and they don’t see them doing jack sh^t to better their lives. They see globalization and diversity as failures and hate being called a racist for standing up against immigration and radical Islam.

George Bush created a war out of lies. Obama came promising “Hope and Change” at the Brandenburg gate and lets be more like France. Worker participation rate is the worst in decades. Race relations suck and more people are on food stamps. Rednecks don’t want food stamps, they want a job that gives them dignity. They don’t want a skinny metrosexual arrogant community organizer from Chicago. Theywant an alpha male to stand up and tell it like it is.

They see Merkel invite 1 million men of military age who come from countries in which it is state doctrine to destroy the State of Israel and America…..and they say NOT IN MY COUNTRY! How would you like it if I invited a dozen Syrians into your home? Only Putin seems to have any balls in their mind. And what’s wrong with building a wall, the pope lives behind one, so why can’t America have one.

My father worked as a construction worker on Trump’s buildings in the 80s. All the men on the job sites loved Trump because he provided near endless work for them. You want to work weekends and get paid cash double time, no problem. Be lazy Euro style, then take a walk. Trump BUILT things, and employed people….what did Merkel do before becoming a politician? What did Cameron and Hollande do?

I agree Trump will be a disaster for the global economy. But Trump has awoken a sleeping giant, and he is likely to be the next president. Who made Trump? You people did, so own him and learn to deal with him.
I think its very similar in the uk the euro vote will show that
 
Probably a true reflection of middle America but, and I dont mean to be demeaning here, would middle America have moved to help Great Britain and 'gone to war' in Europe (WW II) when it did, were it not for Roosevelt, preparing the ground. I dont think so, 3/4 years of watching Europe destroy itself and its citizens by the million?.
The danger for the world is that America begins to look completely inward, that is Trump. Peoples fears are that Trump is also McCarthyism, zenophobia, even Spartan in its outlook on health and the disabled/unfit. Cave-man politics is Putin's way - maskerovska, he has a lot in common with Trump.
It has happened before and it may happen again.
 
Just over 80 years ago a similar highly charismatic charachter emerged in Central Europe - and look where that ended up. The world has moved on and we don't need leaders like him.
 
That's rant is exactly the sort of speech that got Hitler into power. A few truths in there nether the less.
 
Personally I dread to think of what might happen in the future if Trump gets to be President of the USA!
He's nuttier than a pile of squirrel s**t!
 
Anyone who has been to the USA (proper America not tinsel town) will know where his support is coming from, Middle America has been ignored for a long time, a lot of people have gone through hard times, seen there pensions dwindle, and not received any support.
Kes you seem to not understand what happened in WW2, it was not Middle America who kept the USA out of the war it was the likes of the kennedys and other business interests , who could see a opportunity to divide the world into two great trading areas, with the Europeans losing there foothold in the pacific region, of course Japan went and spoilt the party, the only time middle America was asked to do was lay there bodys on the line.
If middle America was asked its opinion it might look inward, and say let the world rot in its own sxxt , but if you want us to intervene, it's on our terms, no more pussy footing around, it's our way or no way , and the UN would be looking for a new home.
 
It scares the manure out of me that that guy could have the potential to launch a nuclear weapon. I think a load of safeguards would be put in place just in case he got a bit excited...one would hope.
 
You can round up all of America's politics with 3 topics on their campaigns.
1. God, and how religious they claim to be.
2. Abortion, whether you are for or against it.
3. Guns. Either you need 300 in your house to kill the robber multiple times, or you are against them.

I feel Trump will start race riots like the 50's and 60's (sort of starting already in the campaign trail), and i imagine someone will put the crosshairs on him at some point.
 
Anyone who has been to the USA (proper America not tinsel town) will know where his support is coming from, Middle America has been ignored for a long time, a lot of people have gone through hard times, seen there pensions dwindle, and not received any support.
Kes you seem to not understand what happened in WW2, it was not Middle America who kept the USA out of the war it was the likes of the kennedys and other business interests , who could see a opportunity to divide the world into two great trading areas, with the Europeans losing there foothold in the pacific region, of course Japan went and spoilt the party, the only time middle America was asked to do was lay there bodys on the line.
If middle America was asked its opinion it might look inward, and say let the world rot in its own sxxt , but if you want us to intervene, it's on our terms, no more pussy footing around, it's our way or no way , and the UN would be looking for a new home.


Your view, no problem with that but look at your last sentence, I hope you aren't an American in NZ because, to be truthful, its clear you are in favour. American power unchecked by reason and a civilised approach is as dangerous as Putin is in Russia - "its our way or no way".
Its quite worrying when a presidential candidate uses Muhammed Ali's stock phrase and means it. I AM THE GREATEST. Only a few steps to I AM RIGHT. A few further steps to .......... he has wierd hair but at least its not on his upper lip, yet.
 
Your view, no problem with that but look at your last sentence, I hope you aren't an American in NZ because, to be truthful, its clear you are in favour. American power unchecked by reason and a civilised approach is as dangerous as Putin is in Russia - "its our way or no way".
Its quite worrying when a presidential candidate uses Muhammed Ali's stock phrase and means it. I AM THE GREATEST. Only a few steps to I AM RIGHT. A few further steps to .......... he has wierd hair but at least its not on his upper lip, yet.
kes I am not an American, and no where did I say I was in favour of trump, what that has to do with NZ ( run by a right wing government) I don,t know.
Having a lot of friends in middle America, I was just tryin to explain, where his support is coming from. As to the UN , it is a well known fact that the republicans would love to have it gone from NY.
Read my post and I say " if you want us to intervene , it's on our terms " military in the USA , are getting fed up of politicians, telling them how to fight wars from a air conditioned office, miles from the front line,soldiers put on trial for carrying out orders, it started in Vietnam, which you have to remember was fought by middle America, and where most soldiers come from.
You keep referring to Putin, what has he given Russia ? actually nothing that they can physically hold, but the working class Russian, believe they now have a leader that gives them respect, rightly or wrongly on the world stage.
 
Didn't Trump inherit his money? He's never really worked proper for it, like most other politicians....

Mark
 
Didn't Trump inherit his money? He's never really worked proper for it, like most other politicians....

Mark

Trump had already made, lost, and made more long before he ever got his inheritance.

As to the original poster - you have nailed quite a few 'truths" there (and lets me be clear, I dont like Trump at all, but I fear him far less than another Clinton). In America, we often hear middle American referred to as "fly over country" as in the part of the country the elites fly over when the go from California to New York. It is the Agrarian and Manufacturing core of our country, but is often maligned openly by politicians (remember the Obama comment about angry white people that cling to guns and religion - which was clearly a falsehood - we have most of the guns, if we were really angry and clinging to religion we would have us a good old Jihad against the elites).

Anyhow, Trump is an isolationist populist, and if you look at our country historically, one pops up every 100 years or so saying we need to turn our focus inward, reject the rest of the world, and get our stuff straight. Unfortunately that sells well, but often has some real errors of logic. But at this time, we are looking at either him or the super-establishment, corrupt, elitist "do as I say, not as me and my friends do" Clinton. I have likened this before to being given the choice of eating either a small cat turd (Trump) or a steaming pile or horse turd (Clinton). Either way we are soon to be eating ****.
 
Reposting my reply in a previous thread:

The Democrats, including their handmaidens in the mass media, put out a lot of false information, and they cover up a lot of crimes and scandals of Democrats. From their open admissions of for whom they vote, raise money, and work as press secretaries in a revolving door, we know that about 93% of newspaper editors, feature article writers, news producers, anchors, hosts and "analysts", vote Democrat.

An example is this half truth: "Donald Trump inherited $40 million ( or $200 million, depending on the author ) from his father, in 1974 - which, if invested in the stock market, would be worth $3 billion."

Fred Trump didn't die until 1999. Probate shows he may have left as much as $200 million in real estate to his surviving three children. Donald Trump had already made and saved more money than that, on his own, by 1999.
Donald Trump, like his father, made money by clearing rotten, idle properties and building apartments and condominiums.Here comes the second falsehood: "Fred Trump became rich from government loans from the FHA and VA."

Fact is, the loans or rent subsidies go to the buyer of the house or condo,
or to the renters, not so much directly into the developer's hands. And Fred Trump made most of his fortune building inexpensive housing around the booming manufacturing districts and across the river in Queens, in the 1920s and 1930s, before FHA and VA and other federal subsidy programs were created in the 1950s and 1960s.

Donald Trump's grandfather was an immigrant from Germany, Trumpf, who started as a construction worker, then owned his own small companies. He took a risk and went West, to open a restaurant. He ended up buying and selling hotels for gold miners. He then went to Alaska with that rush, and made a fortune in a few years, then back to New York. So building hotels and selling them is in the family model.

Donald Trump made his first fortunes by borrowing $1,000,000 here and $2,000,000 there from his father to do small in-fill projects in Manhattan. His first large project was his 1973 proposal to buy the rotten rail yard of Penn Central Railroad, which had declared bankruptcy, and develop it. The city condemned the property and Trump helped them build a convention center on it. He bought a parcel for very little, scraped it clean, and built a hotel. Penn Central had been nationalized by President Roosevelt in World War II, run into the ground, then given back to the owners.

I have friends who came from the Ukraine and other Soviet Bloc countries in the early 1990s with only the $200 allowed on exit, worked as janitors, then other jobs, and retired a millionaires from buying, fixing up, and selling one home after another - not the scale of Donald Trump, but their children are all surgeons, radiologists, anesthesiologists, and building their own passive incomes on the shoulders of their parents. That is the way it is supposed to be, not have all inheritance taken by the government and spread around to the sit-abouts, as Bernie Sanders and Hillary promise. That is the great divide in this election, and not just with Trump, but socialists vs Cruz, Carson, Paul, Huckabee, Fiorina and other free marketeers.

Bernie Sanders, like most socialists, believes that all wealth is static; it was already here, and is just moved around. The rich people got there's by stealing it. That is what he peddles to young people who know nothing of the historical series of government blunders and corruption which left them in lousy jobs. That Looting Theory has been true in the past, when kings raided and looted other kingdoms. And that is how Hillary and Bill became worth $238 million today, without every holding a real job or investing in any business.
 
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