New Forest Negligent Discharge

[Sonicdmb73]

Not saying it’s a bad thing...you just need to make sure the gun is empty and pointed in a safe direction. The police have boxes in the back of firearms cars that you put the muzzle in and pull the trigger.

regards,
Gixer

No I don’t doubt that. But it is a solution to a different problem that should catch the missed live round. By discharging it in a safe manner.
I remember the empty mag on a chain by the guard room and the sandbag box. I also recall the bullet marks on the wall.
I don’t ease springs but I do remove the mag cycle the action and then stick my finger in or visually inspect the chamber. To make sure it is empty.

 

[gixer1]

No I don’t doubt that. But it is a solution to a different problem that should catch the missed live round. By discharging it in a safe manner.
I remember the empty mag on a chain by the guard room and the sandbag box. I also recall the bullet marks on the wall.
I don’t ease springs but I do remove the mag cycle the action and then stick my finger in or visually inspect the chamber. To make sure it is empty.

Yup...I’m a remove mag, multiple bolt cycle, quick look in the ejection port type person!

 

[Woodsmoke]

Yup...I’m a remove mag, multiple bolt cycle, quick look in the ejection port type person!

That also accurately describes my sex life, funnily enough . . . . . .

 

[Rutland lad]

I have been within touching distance of an ND myself with an SLP getting loading/unloading drills mixed up after a long day. Just stopped myself before ‘easing springs’ thinking something wasn’t right.
On another occasion in the yard of a Central London station watched in slow motion as my oppo loaded and made ready an MP5 then pointed it into an unloading bin then pulled the trigger. The gout of flame, noise and the expression on his face told me everything.
You must have a safe routine and you MUST stick with it. Otherwise things will go wrong.

On a slightly different note - a stalking friend of mine had an incident recently with a well known rifle make. He has (had) two of the same models, one in 22/250 the other in 243.
He lined up on a deer, slid the safety half off, squeezed trigger and realised safety was still on. He moved his head up to look at safety, took it off completely WITH NO FINGER ON TRIGGER, rifle went BANG. This was replicated later with empty case. Other rifle checked, exactly the same. It would appear that once the trigger had been pulled, the pin was released and without anything else happening it would fire once the sear dropped.
Both rifles returned to manufacturer - both ‘repaired’. Both then part exchanged for another make/model as he couldn’t trust them anymore. An ND ? Not sure tbh. He thought he done the right thing. He’s a very safe and competent rifle man. He still got caught out.
I’m sure there’s some manufacturers who’s products are more likely to fail than others. However with safe muzzle awareness injury can be hopefully avoided.

 

[8x57]

On a slightly different note - a stalking friend of mine had an incident recently with a well known rifle make. He has (had) two of the same models, one in 22/250 the other in 243.
He lined up on a deer, slid the safety half off, squeezed trigger and realised safety was still on. He moved his head up to look at safety, took it off completely WITH NO FINGER ON TRIGGER, rifle went BANG. This was replicated later with empty case. Other rifle checked, exactly the same. It would appear that once the trigger had been pulled, the pin was released and without anything else happening it would fire once the sear dropped.
Both rifles returned to manufacturer - both ‘repaired’.

Would those rifles be Remington rifles by any chance?

 

[Foxyboy43]

Would those rifles be Remington rifles by any chance?

Interestingly I have had two remmys in 222 and 308 for 25 and 15 years respectively. The 222 has had literally many thousands of rounds through it and the 308 perhaps 1500 all without any mishap so my own suspicion with the Remmy Trigger issue has tended to be either the gun has been “adjusted” or the shooter did something particularly foolish - sadly with often tragic results. Just my opinion.
Moving back to the thread - the simple fact is that all guns good or not so are mechanical and all such “machines” are liable to fail at some time, add into the mix the many variables that humans bring to the equation, like “lightening” the trigger pull for example and you have a recipe for disaster. At its absolute simplest a rifle comprises only two parts, one of which is the bolt, with this removed the rifle is a very expensive and highly inefficient club. However in that state it is visibly safe and CANNOT FIRE a bullet, with the bolt inserted and closed no-one, including you can tell whether it is safe or not, be it in the field, car or house - remember the earlier muzzle in mouth test post? SO why in god’s name would you want to put yourself and those around you and very much further away to any risk? Forget about “easing the bolt”, remove the damn thing each and every time you stop shooting, put it in your pocket and relax. Nuff said.

 

[Mungo]

Speaking of ‘muzzle in the mouth’...

... a few weeks ago, I managed to get a clump of moss stuck in the muzzle of an unmoderated .308. I was a long way from anywhere, and knew there were sika deer very near by. The moss did not look very stuck. So... I removed the bolt, removed the mag and sucked the moss out. It came out perfectly clean. But I have to say, despite knowing that it was absolutely and completely impossible for the gun to fire, I felt very peculiar indeed.

I did shoot a sika deer 2 minutes later, so it was worth it...

 

[Woodsmoke]

I have to say, despite knowing that it was absolutely and completely impossible for the gun to fire, I felt very peculiar indeed

I'll bet it did. After all, there's only one other possible reason you'd want to put a gun in your mouth and it's a pretty sinister one

 

[Alantoo]

The challenge I have with Blaser owners is that they think it is perfectly ok to leave a Blaser rifle fully loaded all the time

This does appear to be a slight exaggeration....your shocking and scary experience with one Blaser owner blithely applied to a few hundred thousand.

I'll bet it did. After all, there's only one other possible reason you'd want to put a gun in your mouth and it's a pretty sinister one

...or two if you remember the dug-out scene in Platoon.

Alan

 

[Stalker62]

I removed the bolt, removed the mag and sucked the moss out. It came out perfectly clean. But I have to say, despite knowing that it was absolutely and completely impossible for the gun to fire, I felt very peculiar indeed.

Mechanically sound.

Interesting. You could have choked to death on the moss.

I was not even there, and just reading that, put a shiver down my spine.

 

[Woodsmoke]

...or two if you remember the dug-out scene in Platoon

Well, there is that of course

 

[Mungo]

Mechanically sound.

Interesting. You could have choked to death on the moss.

I was not even there, and just reading that, put a shiver down my spine.

It puts a shiver down my spine thinking about it now!

Bearing in mind that the ‘other’ reason you put a muzzle in your mouth is the way my dad went.

 

[Stalker62]

It puts a shiver down my spine thinking about it now!

Bearing in mind that the ‘other’ reason you put a muzzle in your mouth is the way my dad went.

Promise me you will get a cleaning rod (portable) and stick that in your kit.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

It puts a shiver down my spine thinking about it now!

Bearing in mind that the ‘other’ reason you put a muzzle in your mouth is the way my dad went.

It will have been said before but you have my sympathy for you loss.

 

[Mungo]

Promise me you will get a cleaning rod (portable) and stick that in your kit.

Already there.

 

[StephenToast]

That also accurately describes my sex life, funnily enough . . . . . .

Remove the mag?

 

[Woodsmoke]

Remove the mag?

Never said it was 100% accurate . . . .

Sometimes I leave the mag' in

 

[StephenToast]

Never said it was 100% accurate . . . .

Sometimes I leave the mag' in

I can't get my head around, nor am I entirely sure I desperately want to, what the "mag" is in this scenario?

Razzle?

 

[Rutland lad]

Would those rifles be Remington rifles by any chance?

No.
I don’t want to say the name. Just in case. But it has been an issue with that model on the Continent I’m told.

 

[Dunwaters]

No.
I don’t want to say the name. Just in case. But it has been an issue with that model on the Continent I’m told.

Ive had this happen with a Mauser action rifle fitted with a Timney trigger. My habit when stalking is to cycle the action, then apply the safety and squeeze the trigger with the rifle pointed in a safe direction, no click = no mechanical problem with the safety, so load up and carry on.
Except that after a successful test I took the rifle off safe to load it and it did click, very loudly. Seems there was just enough play to permit the trigger to drop the sear, once this happened it was irrecoverable, disengage the safety and it would drop the firing pin. Lesson learned, firearms are never safe, not ever.
So forget that nonsense about treating all firearms “ as if” they are loaded, there’s no “as if “, it is loaded until you’ve proven and demonstrated otherwise, no exceptions.