New Forest Negligent Discharge

[8x57]

No.
I don’t want to say the name. Just in case. But it has been an issue with that model on the Continent I’m told.

If it's not the Remington 700 (well known fault) and it's a continental make I've a fair idea of the make that you are talking about and if so it was an assembly issue, which isn't exactly uncommon amongst several brands of so called reputable rifle makers.

Dunwater mentions Timmney triggers, I had a similar issue with a Canjar trigger as did an acquaintance. In my case I wouldn't call it a negligent discharge but an accidental discharge as there was no fault on my part and the rifle was on target and pointing down range (on a rifle range). Needless to say that the rifle was returned to the gunsmith and the Canjar removed.

 

[Heym SR20]

Ive had this happen with a Mauser action rifle fitted with a Timney trigger. My habit when stalking is to cycle the action, then apply the safety and squeeze the trigger with the rifle pointed in a safe direction, no click = no mechanical problem with the safety, so load up and carry on.
Except that after a successful test I took the rifle off safe to load it and it did click, very loudly. Seems there was just enough play to permit the trigger to drop the sear, once this happened it was irrecoverable, disengage the safety and it would drop the firing pin. Lesson learned, firearms are never safe, not ever.
So forget that nonsense about treating all firearms “ as if” they are loaded, there’s no “as if “, it is loaded until you’ve proven and demonstrated otherwise, no exceptions.

And even then they are still “loaded”.

All Firearms are ALWAYS loaded

 

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Just to be sure ( if known ) was the rifle put in a vehicle loaded. ????? If so no accident it is negligence
whether the rifle is faulty makes no difference

 

[Sharpie]

Just to be sure ( if known ) was the rifle put in a vehicle loaded. ????? If so no accident it is negligence
whether the rifle is faulty makes no difference

See post #12.

New Forest Negligent Discharge

Has anyone else heard rumours about this recent incident on a New Forest estate? Allegedly a .308 was negligently discharged through the door of a vehicle and then the leg of a stalker (who survived). The rifle was being removed from the vehicle by a paying client at the time.

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

 

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See post #12.

New Forest Negligent Discharge

Has anyone else heard rumours about this recent incident on a New Forest estate? Allegedly a .308 was negligently discharged through the door of a vehicle and then the leg of a stalker (who survived). The rifle was being removed from the vehicle by a paying client at the time.

www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk

Cheers Sharpie, just read it

 

[ShootyBang]

Years ago I deployed to Afghanistan to work alongside SF. One thing that struck me was how seriously they took firearm safety. All professional gunslingers (not just UK...NATO partners too), but there was constant cross-checking of weapons' state, confirming clear, always lots of communication. All to say, even the pros take firearms safety very seriously. We can't let familiarity breed complacency.

 

[big ears]

It’s a salutary lesson for us all. These firearms were developed to kill humans and in the wrong hands will do that. I cannot believe some of the comments on this thread about putting loaded guns in vehicles and it’s the fault of the rifle make or trigger or safety.

Sorry it is NEVER the tool but ALWAYS the tool with the tool.

poor training & poor attention to detail and safety leads to accidents.

We always joke about it but when out stalking with friends we make a point of unloading and stating the state of our rifles before putting them in the car. “Bolt in, mag out in pocket, nothing up the chamber”

If a quick shot needs to be taken then mag in, chamber round and away you go.

This guide was indeed a lucky chap.

 

[Foxyboy43]

It’s a salutary lesson for us all. These firearms were developed to kill humans and in the wrong hands will do that. I cannot believe some of the comments on this thread about putting loaded guns in vehicles and it’s the fault of the rifle make or trigger or safety.

Sorry it is NEVER the tool but ALWAYS the tool with the tool.

poor training & poor attention to detail and safety leads to accidents.

We always joke about it but when out stalking with friends we make a point of unloading and stating the state of our rifles before putting them in the car. “Bolt in, mag out in pocket, nothing up the chamber”

If a quick shot needs to be taken then mag in, chamber round and away you go.

This guide was indeed a lucky chap.

With you on all points but what is the benefit of putting the bolt back in the rifle? No bolt = no problem and human error being what it is why invite one? Again - no bolt no problem!

 

[25 Sharps]

Its amazing that with our absurdly bureaucratic gun laws there is no formal requirement to take any kind of safety training nor pass even a basic safe handling test.

I swear, sometimes you could be an anti in disguise Tim

 

[bfltd0]

With you on all points but what is the benefit of putting the bolt back in the rifle? No bolt = no problem and human error being what it is why invite one? Again - no bolt no problem!

With you on that one.

Mag out, into pocket.

Bolt out, into bolt holder on belt.

Simples.

 

[big ears]

With you on all points but what is the benefit of putting the bolt back in the rifle? No bolt = no problem and human error being what it is why invite one? Again - no bolt no problem!

You are right but Where I stalk it is small pockets of ground and often drive between them. Sometimes when arrive they are there snd a quick shot is needed. In which case mag in , chamber round and away. Fiddling with bolt adds time.
I agree for complete safety bolt out but if a safety briefing and weapon status declared before going in the car then not an issue, “mag out and in pocket, nothing in chamber, bolt closed” is safe in my mind.

 

[Utectok]

The original problem was a blaser? If so I thought that having the safety on with that design actually releases the spring on the firing pin so I don’t think it can fire? Unless the safety was actually off? Blaser owners advise but that’s my understanding.

 

[timbrayford]

The original problem was a blaser? If so I thought that having the safety on with that design actually releases the spring on the firing pin so I don’t think it can fire? Unless the safety was actually off? Blaser owners advise but that’s my understanding.

Once you've cocked the rifle, fired a shot and reloaded the rifle automatically re-cocks. If you decide not to take the shot simply depressing the cocking button releases the spring and uncocks it. At this point it is incapable of firing. However, it is best practice at this point to drop out the trigger unit and unload the round in the chamber if no further shooting is contemplated, had the stalker concerned done so this accident would have been impossible.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Once you've cocked the rifle, fired a shot and reloaded the rifle automatically re-cocks. If you decide not to take the shot simply depressing the cocking button releases the spring and uncocks it. At this point it is incapable of firing. However, it is best practice at this point to drop out the trigger unit and unload the round in the chamber if no further shooting is contemplated, had the stalker concerned done so this accident would have been impossible.

I don't quite undesrtand this - maybe because I am not familiar with Blasers. What is the purpose of depressing the cocking button thus releasing the spring if you should further disable the rifle by dropping out the trigger unit etc? Does that in itself suggest that the cocking button cannot be trusted? Just curious.

 

[Utectok]

Once you've cocked the rifle, fired a shot and reloaded the rifle automatically re-cocks. If you decide not to take the shot simply depressing the cocking button releases the spring and uncocks it. At this point it is incapable of firing. However, it is best practice at this point to drop out the trigger unit and unload the round in the chamber if no further shooting is contemplated, had the stalker concerned done so this accident would have been impossible.

Cheers for that! So the owner must have left the “safety” uncock button off?!! Mental

 

[Scandially]

I know a professional stalker/deer contractor that travelled 70 miles in a pickup with the rifle between his knees and one up the spout and the safety off.

 

[timbrayford]

I don't quite undesrtand this - maybe because I am not familiar with Blasers. What is the purpose of depressing the cocking button thus releasing the spring if you should further disable the rifle by dropping out the trigger unit etc? Does that in itself suggest that the cocking button cannot be trusted? Just curious.

Not at all, its more a question of if you are climbing into a vehicle with a friend or guide they need to know that you are safety conscious and they need to be confident that your rifle is in a safe condition, much the same as putting a breech flag into a semi-auto.

 

[timbrayford]

Cheers for that! So the owner must have left the “safety” uncock button off?!! Mental

Its not a safety, its a cocking button, incidentally none of my CZ bolt action rifles go to automatic safety on reloading either although they too are cocked ready to fire.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Not at all, its more a question of if you are climbing into a vehicle with a friend or guide they need to know that you are safety conscious and they need to be confident that your rifle is in a safe condition, much the same as putting a breech flag into a semi-auto.

Ahah! Thanks for clarifying that for me T.

 

[timbrayford]

Not at all, its more a question of if you are climbing into a vehicle with a friend or guide they need to know that you are safety conscious and they need to be confident that your rifle is in a safe condition, much the same as putting a breech flag into a semi-auto.

Also best practice if you are on your own - when you are driving home after stalking you need to be sure that the rifle sat alongside you is in a safe condition.