Old Eley Subs (Green Box) vs New Eley Subs (Cream Box)

[lambic]

Wondering if anyone else has come to same conclusion ?

Just cleaned my Anschutz and tested 100 Eley HP subs from the old green boxes (2 boxes) and against 100 Eley HP subs from the new cream boxes (2 boxes)

Light winds and bench rest setup at 45m. Just flogged my Chrono to Gixer and new one not arrived yet, so no velocities recorded.

10 shot groups x 20, so 20 targets in total. Alternating 10 shots old, 10 shots new etc etc

Findings:

1) There was more vertical spread in the newer Eley subs, I assume this is due to more variation in velocity - more variation in bullet weight or charge ? Reduced quality control?

2) Looking at my targets I saw 7 tight shots (say 10mm group) so effectively a ragged hole, then there would be 3 outliers increasing the group to 20 - 25mm. This consistent behaviour was not evident when shooting the older Eley subs.

Conclusion:

The older round is better and they must be saving some money somewhere!

 

[ashray]

good evening ,i stopped using eley a year or so ago for that very reason,i now use rws and have better results

 

[oxfordshirestalker]

I've had a huge number of missfires from eley recently (both old green and the new cream boxes). I've given up now, I was getting about 1 per magazine! Sticking with RWS and CCI now and no problems at all.

 

[enfieldspares]

I have never used Eley Subsonics even from when they came in a cardboard box I used the light blue box RWS Subsonics. My .22LR days are long long gone three decades nearly but I always used, as subsonics, RWS.

 

[mealiejimmy]

I've heard of several people having misfires with the new Eley subs - something that never happened to them with the old ammo.

Cheers

Bruce

 

[User00013]

I've had really good results with the old eley subs but decided not to continue to use eley once my current stock run out as I have heard they are not as good which is very unfortunate as they shot really well in my rifle. Now using cci

 

[Pellet Pinger]

I’ve switched from the green box to the new white box with no issues, shot a handful of groups to settle in and they are on the money through my 452.

 

[palo]

I was getting sub half inch groups with the old eley subs then tried the new ones and they were terrible. Groups opened up to 1.5 to 2 inches.
I emailed eley about it and they replied saying the only thing they changed was the packaging.
Bull****. When my supply of old ones runs out I'm switching to something else.

 

[Smelly Yeti]

Yet another who’s stopped buying Eley due to what appears to be poor quality control (increasing number of random ‘fliers’ & 1 misfire) & switched to RWS. Far better results.

 

[User00013]

Don't fix it if it's not broke! Why did they have to change it for it worked a treat

 

[Fish]

The old eleys shot well in my 452 (better than Winchester, cci, rws) but the new ones shoot even better (ragged hole at 60 yards). Unfortunately local shop now out of stock and I've run out. Consistently around 1000fps

 

[Wessex4291]

To go against what seems to be the majority so far, I've had no issues with the new eley subs but had 3 misfires in 100 rounds of the RWS subsonic, maybe I was unlucky! Similar results on target though from an Anschutz.

I just can't find anyone local who has stock, been waiting 6 weeks now for them to come back into stock. Looks like I'll be using RWS you n the meantime.

I emailed eley about it and they replied saying the only thing they changed was the packaging.

I may be wrong as I don't have any to look at but I thought that the old ones were 40gr and the new ones are 38gr. If that's correct then Eley's response is a little off, but I wouldn't have thought that a change in bullet weight should effect quality control of the overall item.

 

[lambic]

I see I am not the only one ... Might be time to try RWS and Norma subs

 

[markyw]

Are misfires normally down to light strikes caused by a fouled bolt? Did the round fire second time?

Had some CCIs in my last batch of standard go off like high velocity, but no misfires in the Eley or CCI I have shot recently.

Mark

 

[palo]

I may be wrong as I don't have any to look at but I thought that the old ones were 40gr and the new ones are 38gr. If that's correct then Eley's response is a little off, but I wouldn't have thought that a change in bullet weight should effect quality control of the overall item.
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This is the reply i got from eley

I am sorry to hear about your issue regarding our 38 grain subsonic hollow.
However when we changed from 40 to 38 grain the only thing that changed was the packaging specifying this, nothing physically changed to the ammo.
This is due to bringing in improved measuring methods which provided a more specific weight measurement, which therefore came out at 38 grain

 

[oxfordshirestalker]

Are misfires normally down to light strikes caused by a fouled bolt? Did the round fire second time?

Had some CCIs in my last batch of standard go off like high velocity, but no misfires in the Eley or CCI I have shot recently.

Mark

Seemingly not due to light strikes as I haven’t had any misfires with CCI, RWS or Winchester

 

[Wessex4291]

However when we changed from 40 to 38 grain the only thing that changed was the packaging specifying this, nothing physically changed to the ammo.
This is due to bringing in improved measuring methods which provided a more specific weight measurement, which therefore came out at 38 grain

I'd never have thought that a packaging change to state a 2gr change in weight wouldn't reflect a physical change in the product. I suppose I expect to see a change in product when they are labelled differently.

Given the attention to detail that those who reload pay to smaller changes than this I am surprised that Eley were not able to measure to this level before.

Are misfires normally down to light strikes caused by a fouled bolt? Did the round fire second time?

The misfires that I had fired the second time. The bolt was clean at the start of the session and only had 120 rounds fired that time in total. The 3 misfires were evenly spread across the the session. The first one was in my second magazine.

 

[long_range_rob]

Could it be shrinkflation? 2gn reduction in bullet weight = 5% saving in lead?

 

[glasshalffull]

No prob with my Eley subs but maybe it's as I buy 500 at a time and my dealer might have older stock?

 

[andyk]

I’ve found they usually shoot well but do have more flyers than I found with CCI. That said, I don’t think I’ve had a still day to shoot on this year so I’ve been putting it down to wind.

One thing I have notice with the Eley subs (new ones) is that whilst the bullets are crimped into the case they are slightly loose. I can’t believe they’re airtight and that does make me fear they might suffer from damp ingress.

Never notice a loose bullet with my other brands, mostly CCI.

I tried the RWS as someone I was shooting with raved about them. They shot well but were clearly slower than CCI subs by enough that they fell an inch or two lower at 50m.