He may want to but he won't get it done. Like closing Guantanamo Bay detention center; it looks good in print but this President falls short of all his press releases. He is, after all, only the President: Electable for two terms at best. Congressmen and Senators can have their posts for life if they don't pi$$ off the public. Gun Control, per se, is not popular.~Muir
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He may want to but he won't get it done. Like closing Guantanamo Bay detention center; it looks good in print but this President falls short of all his press releases. He is, after all, only the President: Electable for two terms at best. Congressmen and Senators can have their posts for life if they don't pi$$ off the public. Gun Control, per se, is not popular.~Muir
ecoman
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The old army method of getting a complete company of men to any destination on foot was to regulate the marching pace to that of the slowest. That was fine when there was no real push-on.
Now take a workplace. Enter into the scenario a person who has a vested interest in the new expanding industry of health and safety. He/she looks for a possible problem that a moron might trip up against, then a whole set of rules, courses and safety equipment are devised around the moron and his/her possible trip, and hey-presto ! The British working public are handicapped by yet another set of non-productive rules which hamper production, but which help establish a non-productive and desk-devised career for the government advisor.
Yes, I cut myself when I was a lad. Saws, axes, billhooks, knives, scythes and sickles. These were all essential tools of a country life. When I was not using them I was repairing or sharpening them. I swung from the top of one tall hazel to the other like an orangoutan without safety harness, and if a bough broke, I thumped on the ground - winded - then put moss on the bruise and got on with it.
A first knife was presented into my life with a stern look and the required advice. The threat of reprisal if I broke the rules was very real and was carried out.
Those were the days when, for the most part parents had real control over growing youngsters - and exercised it, but they also set examples and backed up school discipline, not undermined it.
This, I think, gets us back to a society where the control of commonsense has been taken away and we are now not allowed to carry a blade - for the common good.
As I said before, the criminals will continue to do so, and for bad reasons. The decent folks have just been deprived of another working tool as by and large they will obey the new rules - because they CARE.
Now take a workplace. Enter into the scenario a person who has a vested interest in the new expanding industry of health and safety. He/she looks for a possible problem that a moron might trip up against, then a whole set of rules, courses and safety equipment are devised around the moron and his/her possible trip, and hey-presto ! The British working public are handicapped by yet another set of non-productive rules which hamper production, but which help establish a non-productive and desk-devised career for the government advisor.
Yes, I cut myself when I was a lad. Saws, axes, billhooks, knives, scythes and sickles. These were all essential tools of a country life. When I was not using them I was repairing or sharpening them. I swung from the top of one tall hazel to the other like an orangoutan without safety harness, and if a bough broke, I thumped on the ground - winded - then put moss on the bruise and got on with it.
A first knife was presented into my life with a stern look and the required advice. The threat of reprisal if I broke the rules was very real and was carried out.
Those were the days when, for the most part parents had real control over growing youngsters - and exercised it, but they also set examples and backed up school discipline, not undermined it.
This, I think, gets us back to a society where the control of commonsense has been taken away and we are now not allowed to carry a blade - for the common good.
As I said before, the criminals will continue to do so, and for bad reasons. The decent folks have just been deprived of another working tool as by and large they will obey the new rules - because they CARE.
Chanty Wrassler
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Another vote for the Laguiole. Mine has Templar cross and handle like a shapely feminine leg.
Yeah, I am sure you guys, and all those hundreds of thousands of Texans down south will NOT put up with Obama's ridiculous plans!
Excellent post. Some fantastic points very well addressed.
It will no doubt be very easy for others to look upon this and apply stigmatic remarks related to things like "Times have changed", or "you're not a lad anymore, get with modern times", but this really is a different country to how it used to be. Children and youngsters do not behave in an acceptable manner, and discipline is non-existant. Schools are a joke, and respect for anything has dwindled to nothing, and things seem to be getting worse.
I flew from Gatwick to Inverness in early february. Checked in the firearm and presented it to customs together with my locked case in a seperate bag with bolt, ammo and knives in it. Customs were very happy with the gun and the 40 rounds of ammo but on seeing the two 3 1/2 inch knives all hell broke loose. The police were called who interviewed me as to why I was carrying the knives. The smart young copper suggested that as i was going deer shooting he was happy with the transportation of the firearm but as i was going to shoot them was not happy with the carrying of two fixed blade knives. Having a slightly warped sense of humour and happt in the knowledge I had no criminal intent I gave a very graphic description of the gralloch, by the end of which he was a similar colour to the contents. He was thankfully satisfied with my reasons for carrying and I went on my way.
What odd planet do we live on where you can stroll into an airport with a firearm and 40 rounds without anyone blinking an eyelid but as soon as the buggers find a couple of 3 1/2 inch knives you are treated like a criminal?
What odd planet do we live on where you can stroll into an airport with a firearm and 40 rounds without anyone blinking an eyelid but as soon as the buggers find a couple of 3 1/2 inch knives you are treated like a criminal?
This is exactly what we're talking about. Your situation you mentioned just proves how absolutely insane and completely ridiculous the whole thing is. And there's a super-thick, braincell lacking copper chuffed to bits and ready to back-up the BS laws.
Shocking. Embarrassing to be British situation.
I had my opinel taken by security on Euro Tunnel Railway as it was classed as a locking knife. I was given the option of argueing with the police but I would have missed the train and i didnt fancy being hauled off by an armed Mr Plod. It ranked right up there with the time I tried to board a plane to Belfast with two shot gun cartridges in my Barbour pocket at the height of the troubles.
I have a full set of table cutlery by Laguiole, it is superb.
bewsher500
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i took the tip of my middle finger clean off when a snapped an opinel no.10 shut as the lock ring wasnt all the way round.
was 12 messing around.
lot of blood.
keep the ring on!
was 12 messing around.
lot of blood.
keep the ring on!
As my vehicle is considered a public place, even when locked, I carry both my rifle bolt/s & a 5" plus fixed blade on my belt, & have done so whilst visiting a supermarket in Wales, passing very closely to two armed policemen, a cursory glance from them at my obvious recent/current activities, (bloody wellies & realtree says it all) I was ignored completely thereafter.---about the knife thing.can you really get done for getting out off car for fuel with a knife in your sheath attatched to your belt.i leave my knife in car,but was told to lock it as that was illegal to leave it open to theft.allways lock car anyway as rifle in there.really pushing it ,the police could do you with intent possibly,wouldent take the chance.
centralbeltstalker
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Fb,
I think you where lucky not to be stopped..quizzed and asked to remove it.
all
I would add this point and i will also now seek confirmation from my local plod to ensure the info is correct.
it is an offence to carry a knife (i.e our stalking knifes in/out of the sheath) in public, the size of said knife that can be carried without prosecution is set out in the recent laws.
it amazes me that anyone of the stalking world would walk anywhere in public with a knife attached to a belt etc. ( guilty have done so myself, yes, when i forgot to remove it).
if you wish to take the chance in carrying a knife in a public place then you will/could get done for carrying said knife.
i am or i was going stalking is not a valid reason and will not hold up in court.
as i said i will seek clarification over the next few days as to what the exact requirements are but i wont be far wrong i bet
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Exactly the same as carrying your fishing rod, along with your fish knife, to or from fishing............... reasonable excuse, I also questioned wether I would be open to prosecution by the authorities, carrying a knife in the vehicle or on my person, whilst travelling to or from stalking / hunting, the definitive answer from the plods was , NO!
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centralbeltstalker
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i dont think going shopping or getting fuel on the way to/from your sport with a knife will be covered as a reasonable excuse to be in possession of mate
BASC update guidance on carrying knives
28 May 2008
BASC has re-issued its guidance about carrying knives to ensure sporting shooters are aware of recent changes to the law.
The law surrounding the use and carrying of knives was tightened in 2006 through the Violent Crime Reduction Act. With the exception of folding pocket knives with a cutting blade of less than 3 inches; it is now ILLEGAL to have any sharply pointed or bladed instrument in your possession, in a public place without good reason or lawful authority.
Good reason for carrying a knife may be shown by occupation as a farmer, estate manager, recreational stalker, game shooter, angler or anyone else that has reasonable grounds for expecting to need a knife whilst pursuing a lawful activity.
Carrying a knife in public must be in connection with the activity for which it is needed; going into a shop with a knife in your pocket if you are returning from or going to a place where you farm, fish or shoot etc. would constitute good reason.
For further information, BASC members can contact the firearms team on 01244 573010 or e-mail firearms@basc.org.uk.
28 May 2008
The law surrounding the use and carrying of knives was tightened in 2006 through the Violent Crime Reduction Act. With the exception of folding pocket knives with a cutting blade of less than 3 inches; it is now ILLEGAL to have any sharply pointed or bladed instrument in your possession, in a public place without good reason or lawful authority.
Good reason for carrying a knife may be shown by occupation as a farmer, estate manager, recreational stalker, game shooter, angler or anyone else that has reasonable grounds for expecting to need a knife whilst pursuing a lawful activity.
Carrying a knife in public must be in connection with the activity for which it is needed; going into a shop with a knife in your pocket if you are returning from or going to a place where you farm, fish or shoot etc. would constitute good reason.
For further information, BASC members can contact the firearms team on 01244 573010 or e-mail firearms@basc.org.uk.
centralbeltstalker
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phew thanks Fb, knew i was right, ha ha first time this year
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have another read.
nicholiath
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Please forgive my ignorance, what do you mean by dress 10 cm off back? have you got any pictures?Although I have a few Knives, I have messed about with Opinel handles they are very easy to shape.
I have played that dance a few years back, now i dress 10cm off the back of the blade (save the FINGERS)
NOT ON THIS ONE YET!!!
Rgds, Buck.
8x57
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Centralbeltstalker the last persons I would ask for legal advise is the police. They may enforce the law (as they see it) but don't generally give good unbiased advise.
No offence to any members of the constabulary on the site, just my opinion and my experience.
No offence to any members of the constabulary on the site, just my opinion and my experience.
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