Pard 007 POI change ?

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This image here is at 415 m lasered .The cant is me tipping the rifle on sticks .(yes that is an a 😀)No loss of ret or image .
Fox got away as I was looking at the roe too long 🤓
Dont forget that the IR with NV is everything ,I use the laser dragon fly .The on board not much use beyond 50 m even on a good night IMO .
 
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@Longstrider
“Will re-fit collar and get a clear reticule that way. Will then attempt to obtain focussed sight picture. Will then see if it shoots where I point it.

It is, by the way, a Pard 007a with a 16mm something-or-other.”

Same as mine sir .If you fancy a road trip here to sort it combined with a stalk or two the offers there .
 
This makes no sense to me at all .Mag for ret is same at any distance unless you mess with the settings on pard which there is no need to do at all .Use the scope for any mag then parallax to sharp image .I use mine from 4m to 350 with no change in ret size or distortion .

Edited to say all my scope are hawke from cheapos to £800 sidewinders and all work perfectly well with the pard .
I actually now prefer the position off the pard to a conventional scope but that just familiarity I guess .

The 16mm 007 has a default magnification of x1.7 so everything you view through it on base mag is actually x1.7 including the ret, hence becoming thicker. Not sure about the 12mm but most say the 16mm is better for longer ranges.
 
I had this problem when I got a Pard 007 a couple of years ago. I found the solution was to attach the mounting bracket to the Pard then push the bracket onto the scope so that it connects firmly with the rear of the scope eyepiece before tightening it. I now use the 007 with three different rifles, each with their own Pard bracket, without any problems. I should add that all my scopes are Hawke so it maybe that this technique may not work with other brands.
 
I'm new to the world of NV having treated myself to a pard007 recently. Initial trials were very promising despite some difficulty getting things all focussed up when fitted to the Hawke Vantage 6-24 on my .204. I've shunned the use of the in-built illuminator for the time being and am using an IR torch.
First time out with it I fairly easily picked out, and successfully shot, a couple of bunnies at about 200yds, then last weekend disaster seemed to strike :(

The caller was out and Charlie appeared right on cue, skirted the field and settled to sit and assess the wierdness from a position about 200yds from me. I settled the crosshairs on the upper chest/lower throat area and squeezed ... Very dead fox. The next one stood looking at me from about 160yds out. Bang = dead fox. Then the evenings light died and I put the Pard onto the rifle. An hour later a fox tracked the first one I shot and stood there sniffing the spot where #1 had fallen. Follow the drill and squeeze .... only to miss by God knows how much and off went Charlie at Warp 6. (Accompanied by a whining ricochet .. who says it can't happen with a .204 ? ! )
Then it happened again about 20 minutes later .. a complete 'sitter' at about 150yds. Settle in on the sticks and squeeze. Bang goes the rifle and off runs Charlie :(

I ended my evening right then and there. Not being 100% certain that shots are going where I want them to is a sign to go home.

Now ... I'm yet to have a chance to get out with my trusty cardboard box and check zero with and without the Pard.
I'm not known for missing foxes anywhere I'm willing to squeeze the trigger on them so I've been wondering if anyone else has experienced and POI change with the Pard 007 ?
I know I'm effectively using my original scope reticule etc etc but I'm bu$$ered if I can see a good reason for those 2 misses and it's bugging the whotsits out of me.
Ive had this sometimes myself, ive found its usually caused by the attachment not being fitted square to your scope so your looking at your cross hair at a slight angle. I have an eagle vision adapter so i can easily swap between rifles and have to take care when fitting it
 
Uptonogood ... Thank you Sir for the offer ! Somerset is a bit of a trek from me (Northampton-ish), so I might have to take a rain check on that one. My normal (well, he claims to be normal :lol: ) shooting buddy is somewhat more au-fait with tecker-knowledge-icy stuff than I am, and will be in close attendance tomorrow when I go and try and sort the thing out.
He's that far advanced that he looks up ballistic tables on his phone whilst out shooting instead of having a drop chart written on a Post-It inside the lid of his baccy tin like I have :lol:

It has to be said that the images posted on this thread are FAR clearer than I'm currently achieving so I reckon I MUST be doing something fundamentally stupid with my kit. Tomorrow will tell !
 
Uptonogood ... Thank you Sir for the offer ! Somerset is a bit of a trek from me (Northampton-ish), so I might have to take a rain check on that one. My normal (well, he claims to be normal :lol: ) shooting buddy is somewhat more au-fait with tecker-knowledge-icy stuff than I am, and will be in close attendance tomorrow when I go and try and sort the thing out.
He's that far advanced that he looks up ballistic tables on his phone whilst out shooting instead of having a drop chart written on a Post-It inside the lid of his baccy tin like I have :lol:

It has to be said that the images posted on this thread are FAR clearer than I'm currently achieving so I reckon I MUST be doing something fundamentally stupid with my kit. Tomorrow will tell !
A certain electronics wizard posted the following idiot-proof advice some time ago, it worked for me so you should be fine….
I hope he doesn’t mind the copyright infringement! Read and marvel……
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Here's the step by step procedure I use when setting up a scope and PARD 007 for the first time

1. Adjust the ocular on the riflescope to give as sharp an image for your eye as possible. If the scope is second focal plane then this should be done with the scope set to maximum magnification. If the scope is first focal plane it should be done at the lowest magnification at which all the reticle markings are clearly visible. Once this is done, don't touch the ocular focus again.

2. Fit the 007, switch it on and bring up the main menu. Adjust the eyepiece focus on the 007 so that the text is focussed for your eye. Once this is done, don't touch the eyepiece focus again.

3. Now adjust the main lens focus on the 007 (the barrel shaped bit on the underside of the body) so that the scope reticle is in focus

4. Now use the adjustable objective or side focus on the scope to bring the target into focus.

You're now ready to shoot.

For different target ranges and for day and NV use, only the focus control on the scope (AO or sided focus) should be needed to get a focussed image of the target on the PARD display.

However, when used for NV, it may be necessary to slightly adjust the main lens on the PARD to keep the reticle in focus.



Here's why:

The lenses in your scope are designed to work with visible light.

In daylight, the light passing through the scope comes to a focus at the same place as the reticle, meaning that you see both the reticle and whatever you're looking in focus together.

When using an NV add-on like the 007, there is little or no visible light passing through the scope.

Instead, IR is passing through the scope and IR does not focus at the same place as the reticle, meaning that you can either focus on the reticle or focus on the target, but not both at the same time.

This effect gets worse as magnification increases

The solution to this problem is a scope with adjustable focus.

Either an adjustable objective (AO) scope, or a scope with side focus (often called side parallax)

With such a scope, the focus can be adjusted so that the IR coming through the scope focusses at the same place as the reticle.

This effect can be quite large.

For example, if you have a scope with adjustable focus and set up a target at 100 yards, then in daylight, the focus control will be set at or close to 100 yards to get the target in focus

Repeat this situation at night using IR to illuminate the target, and the focus control will need to be set at around 20 yards to get the target in focus

It's this big difference in focus setting between day and NV use that leads to the requirement for scopes which work well with the PARD to have focus adjustment down to 10 yards or less.
 
Thanks Foxyboy :) (and the OP of that info) It sounds like the sort of instructions that even a technophobe like me could follow.

Now all I have to do is repair the workshop roof, (discovered in yesterdays rain that the recent gales had torn the Onduline ridges and made my 'shop into a shower-room), take out the oven and 2 kitchen cabinets, paint the kitchen, take Lady Longstrider out to choose new kitchen tiles (floor and wall) and then I can escape to the wilds to put it all into practice !
 
Now all I have to do is repair the workshop roof”
Now you really had me worried there! I thought you had ventilated the roof whilst working with the Pard!
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Righty-Mc-well-now ... Followed the instructions as per and IT WORKED ! :) Made little holes bob-on target on the obligatory cardboard box without the Pard on, then fitted the Pard and set it up like I was told and then made little holes in very very close proximity to the original holes. Happy Days !

Then off out for evening of spoiling Charlies fun. Only saw the one fox all evening (at late dusk : no Pard in use) and that was a good 350yds away, working it's way along the bottom of a straggly old thin hedge right on the skyline and oblivious to my calls, so no shot there. Darkness came and I fitted the now pretty clearly focussed Pard and settled in.
After an hour or so I made the mistake of touching the barrel focus on the Pard and saw my reticule jump up by a good mil-dots worth ! Touch the other side of the barrel focus and it jumps back down again. Now I don't trust it to tell the truth and it's too ruddy dark and late to faff around checking it :(
Pard off and back in the bag, pill changed in lamp from IR to good old red and continue ...

Investigations today reveal that this phenomena is apparently well known and somehow does NOT affect POI.

Further investigations during daylight will be made and an assessment made then.
 
Righty-Mc-well-now ... Followed the instructions as per and IT WORKED ! :) Made little holes bob-on target on the obligatory cardboard box without the Pard on, then fitted the Pard and set it up like I was told and then made little holes in very very close proximity to the original holes. Happy Days !

Then off out for evening of spoiling Charlies fun. Only saw the one fox all evening (at late dusk : no Pard in use) and that was a good 350yds away, working it's way along the bottom of a straggly old thin hedge right on the skyline and oblivious to my calls, so no shot there. Darkness came and I fitted the now pretty clearly focussed Pard and settled in.
After an hour or so I made the mistake of touching the barrel focus on the Pard and saw my reticule jump up by a good mil-dots worth ! Touch the other side of the barrel focus and it jumps back down again. Now I don't trust it to tell the truth and it's too ruddy dark and late to faff around checking it :(
Pard off and back in the bag, pill changed in lamp from IR to good old red and continue ...

Investigations today reveal that this phenomena is apparently well known and somehow does NOT affect POI.

Further investigations during daylight will be made and an assessment made then.
Hmmm. I would be checking the tightness/location of the collar - an earlier post gave a good tip that when fitting it (the collar) do it with the Pard attached and mate the Pard right up against the telescopic sight’s eye piece but not so very tight that the Pard won’t twist off the collar/scope. A good tip too is not to use the insulation tape but instead trimmed to collar width plastic milk carton strips “tied-off” with an inch of said tape - far less give and a much more secure fit.
Persevere my friend - you are treading a very well trodden path! A classic example of an excellent bit of kit let down by the lamentable
”instructions” or absence of same! I love mine, bought additional collars and used it on .17, .222 and 6.5 though very recently dedicated the .222 to an 008P which is a super bit of kit too. Now there is another quite dreadful example of poor instructions if ever I saw one! I wonder how many buyers have dumped theirs as a result?
Other IR sights are of course available…….
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The collar isn't moving at all. One of the suppled plastic shim rings is a tight fit between collar and scope and I did everything up tight whilst fitting the whole unit to the scope just as you say. My shooting mate has the same Pard .. and the same apparent movement if he touches the focus barrel (though not quite as much as mine seems to shift). I'll do some experimenting and find out if it shifts POI and go from there.
 
The collar isn't moving at all. One of the suppled plastic shim rings is a tight fit between collar and scope and I did everything up tight whilst fitting the whole unit to the scope just as you say. My shooting mate has the same Pard .. and the same apparent movement if he touches the focus barrel (though not quite as much as mine seems to shift). I'll do some experimenting and find out if it shifts POI and go from there.
A question - when the focus barrel is touched and the reticle shifts does it actually result in the POI changing down range for you. I have noticed this on occasion too but with absolutely nil adverse result on the POI. That said the only time I need to touch the focus barrel is when moving from daytime to nightine IR or when moving the Pard from one rifle to another when a reticle adjustment recentering and a minor refocus is required but again nil impact on where the bullet hits even switching from .17hmr to 6.5x55SE.
Be interesting to hear how you get on.
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Not yet had a chance to get out in daylight and see if POI changes with this apparent movement, but ........

SEE ! You've seen this reticule shift .. Many others have seen this reticule shift.. and no bu$$er thinks to tell shmucks like me that it happens BEFORE they worry about it ! AAAARRRGGGHHHH
 
Not yet had a chance to get out in daylight and see if POI changes with this apparent movement, but ........

SEE ! You've seen this reticule shift .. Many others have seen this reticule shift.. and no bu$$er thinks to tell shmucks like me that it happens BEFORE they worry about it ! AAAARRRGGGHHHH
Indeed - you have a very valid point but dear friend never mind the torturous journey rather best to just concentrate on the unbounded joy of actually arriving!
And if you believe that……
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