Ah, missed the fact you’re over the water, I don’t believe it constitutes good reason over here. Could be wrong through.
Passing on gun collection .
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Dunwaters
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I don’t think it would cover the transfer of more than 1 or 2 here either.
enfieldspares
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Shotguns on S2 are apparently thanks...well no thanks at all in the overall events...to Douglas Hurd when he introduced Thatcher's 1988 post-Hungerford self-loading and pump action rifle ban...able to be acquired and possessed without showing use or intent to of use. For the law was changed to expressly allow an "heirloom" condition for shotguns. That a person may specifically own shotguns even though they did not actually make use of them.
kimh
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This is a subject that my wife brought to my attention 5years ago with a simple question 'What the hell do I do with all your guns if something happens to you?', taking a step back I thought it was a fair question, and thought how many other families are there that have been left in this predicament?
A simple search bought no really true answer as there was no straightforward answer, however, it was clear that the starting point was to make a clear written note of what you wish to happen to each item following your death, a 'Letter of Wishes' making clear what is to be sold and who should be the beneficiary, bequests, heirloom, treasured memento, and probate all need consideration
Who then holds this Note? Who has access to your items legally? Your Keys? Who can store these immediately? Have you given constructive possession of your guns to a dealer during your lifetime? many questions...
One thing is for sure, planning ahead will mean that the only information you need to give to your next of kin is the detail of who to contact when the inevitable happens.
However, with legal knowledge myself and research, I set about providing a specialist company to supply such a service, for those who don't know my company 'Artisan Rifles' is its name 'ARE' to be trendy and yes I also do shotguns as well as sporting equipment relating to shooting working as your personal Firearms Executor, storing your keys/writing your letter of wishes/storing the documents of instructions and on action collecting/storing your items to carry out what you have simply requested to happen all for an agreed upfront price so no hidden surprises to your beloved greaving family.
At least you are thinking about it which means that your items will remain accessible to the future generations of shooters, thank you as with many aspects of life, planning ahead can make matters easier for your family...
Kim Hubbard - Director and Business Manager for ArtisanRiflesExecutors
A simple search bought no really true answer as there was no straightforward answer, however, it was clear that the starting point was to make a clear written note of what you wish to happen to each item following your death, a 'Letter of Wishes' making clear what is to be sold and who should be the beneficiary, bequests, heirloom, treasured memento, and probate all need consideration
Who then holds this Note? Who has access to your items legally? Your Keys? Who can store these immediately? Have you given constructive possession of your guns to a dealer during your lifetime? many questions...
One thing is for sure, planning ahead will mean that the only information you need to give to your next of kin is the detail of who to contact when the inevitable happens.
However, with legal knowledge myself and research, I set about providing a specialist company to supply such a service, for those who don't know my company 'Artisan Rifles' is its name 'ARE' to be trendy and yes I also do shotguns as well as sporting equipment relating to shooting working as your personal Firearms Executor, storing your keys/writing your letter of wishes/storing the documents of instructions and on action collecting/storing your items to carry out what you have simply requested to happen all for an agreed upfront price so no hidden surprises to your beloved greaving family.
At least you are thinking about it which means that your items will remain accessible to the future generations of shooters, thank you as with many aspects of life, planning ahead can make matters easier for your family...
Kim Hubbard - Director and Business Manager for ArtisanRiflesExecutors
enfieldspares
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On my own gun cabinet all I have done is stuck an envelope.
It says words to the effect that "These guns, ammunition and accessories are under no circumstances to be surrendered to the police for disposal or destruction. You are to call Messrs. Holt's of Wolferton, Norfolk on 01485 XXX XXX and arrange for their collection and safekeeping until their sale at auction with the proceeds being passed to my Executors as part of my estate or disposal otherwise as detailed in my Will*."
This covers all the angles and removes needs for middlemen.
* My Will stating as an exception to this that if my late father's gun (which is identified as such by maker's name and serial number) is not wanted to be retained by my son then it is to be destroyed.
It says words to the effect that "These guns, ammunition and accessories are under no circumstances to be surrendered to the police for disposal or destruction. You are to call Messrs. Holt's of Wolferton, Norfolk on 01485 XXX XXX and arrange for their collection and safekeeping until their sale at auction with the proceeds being passed to my Executors as part of my estate or disposal otherwise as detailed in my Will*."
This covers all the angles and removes needs for middlemen.
* My Will stating as an exception to this that if my late father's gun (which is identified as such by maker's name and serial number) is not wanted to be retained by my son then it is to be destroyed.
Stalker62
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Why?
enfieldspares
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Because it deserves better for the pleasure it has given and the memories it has been part of than being de-activated and converted into a lampstand in some dickhead's computer games room. Or to be owned and used by someone I don't know, have never been introduced to, and may if I was aware of them may not ever want to know or to have what was enjoyed my family since 1919 when it was bought for him on his twelfth birthday.
RescueMe0007
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I hope the event your planning for does not come to fruition any time soon. However, that fateful date will come to all of us eventually. Over twenty years ago I saw a sign on a bus stop in Portsmouth, it read to the effect: "10 times as many men commit intestacy as adultery." It then went on to advise people to make a will and regularise ones affairs well prior to departure. Good advice, I believe we can all agree on. Providing an absolute power of attorney for a responsible person to take of ones affairs in the event we become incapacitated, is vital, hopefully it'll never be activated. Preparing and executing a will is also crucial. It'll simplify the process of getting probate granted and make life a great deal easier and less expensive for ones executors and estate. Joint ownership of the firearms would also make life easier in the event of ones demise. Others have raised some of the issues to be addressed to facilitate such joint ownership. I wish you every success in your endeavours and many more years to ponder things. 
Stalker62
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Seems a shame.
There must be some family member who would take guardianship of it...
Stalker62
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How dare you suggest that I would commit intestacy. I will have you know that I have "mirror wills" and LPAs in place.
Also, how dare you suggest that I would commit adultery...
Anyway, back to the point in question - how dare you suggest I would commit intestacy....
How dare you suggest that I would commit intestacy. I will have you know that I have "mirror wills" and LPAs in place.
Also, how dare you suggest that I would commit adultery...
Anyway, back to the point in question - how dare you suggest I would commit intestacy....
I thought intestacy was what you suffered from if you were caught committing the other?
Stalker62
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Or for him, if you go first...
baguio
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Why hide Holt’s telephone number? It’s hardly difficult to find. First hit on Google. Adds to the mystery maybe? There’s nothing stranger than folk I guess?
enfieldspares
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Actually because I couldn't remember it save the 01485 part and was too lazy to look it up. But others obviously don't have other better things to do. So there you are. Now you know.Why hide Holt’s telephone number? It’s hardly difficult to find. First hit on Google. Adds to the mystery maybe? There’s nothing stranger than folk I guess?
baguio
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Oh yes, that must be it!Actually because I couldn't remember it save the 01485 part and was too lazy to look it up. But others obviously don't have other better things to do. So there you are. Now you know.
enfieldspares
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Remember to always first consider the rule of Occam's Razor!Oh yes, that must be it!
baguio
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I prefer the rule, If it looks, smells and sounds like BS it is BS!
bongo
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Thanks for all the replies with guidance on what to do . I do have my local RFD prepped and if needed to , they come and collect them . On instruction from my wife . To avoid the need for the police having to collect and throwing them in to a pile , i'd turn in my grave lol . But seriously my son who's 34 not a child and is actual showing interest which is the great news and would have all my permissions . I have asked them all if that would be ok for him to do so . Maybe some guns would go to the RFD to raise some funds for my wife , but a few i would certainly ask him to keep , don't we all have a special few .
I was just interested to know if two people could own ? / have on there's certificates the same gun collection , and not having to give up my FAC if on another FAC . I'm not bed ridden or anything at present , certainly no concern to the police , as i do still get out , i just get tired more quickly , But been realistic there will be a time when this wont be possible , and so i just want everything in place and not leave my wife with another problem to deal with . Guess it is something regardless of health status to have these things in place , who knows what is around the corner .
On that cheery note , Happy xmas to all and again thanks for taking the time to reply . Gerry
I was just interested to know if two people could own ? / have on there's certificates the same gun collection , and not having to give up my FAC if on another FAC . I'm not bed ridden or anything at present , certainly no concern to the police , as i do still get out , i just get tired more quickly , But been realistic there will be a time when this wont be possible , and so i just want everything in place and not leave my wife with another problem to deal with . Guess it is something regardless of health status to have these things in place , who knows what is around the corner .
On that cheery note , Happy xmas to all and again thanks for taking the time to reply . Gerry
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