Peterborough Game

[VSS]

You don't get something like that from a head /neck shot though do you?

No, but my point being that whatever the stalker thought about the shot the story under the skin can be quite different.

 

[homer]

But saying it was shot through the saddle when it clearly wasn't, is just robbery!
They know dam fine, you're not going to go and collect the carcass from them, meanwhile they get a perfectly clean carcass for free!

 

[VSS]

But saying it was shot through the saddle when it clearly wasn't, is just robbery!
They know dam fine, you're not going to go and collect the carcass from them, meanwhile they get a perfectly clean carcass for free!

Agreed, we need a more transparent system of carcass grading.
And head shot deer should attract a premium price.

 

[homer]

Agreed, we need a more transparent system of carcass grading.
And head shot deer should attract a premium price.

Yes, they should.

 

[waggy 1]

I'll remind you of that statement!!!!

Yeah and remind Matt too

 

[waggy 1]

To be fair, sometimes you don't see the extent of the damage until the skin comes off:
View attachment 416306

(Not my carcass, btw. Someone asked me to butcher 7 sika for him. In his opinion they were all reasonably tidily shot. My opinion was somewhat different from his!)

Blimey! just out of curiosity , what calibre and bullet??

 

[VSS]

Blimey! just out of curiosity , what calibre and bullet??

.308
I forget what bullet.
That was one of the better carcasses.

 

[waggy 1]

.308
I forget what bullet.
That was one of the better carcasses.

Bit of trimming required there

 

[VSS]

Bit of trimming required there

It was more like a salvage operation, to be honest.

 

[Overlay]

.308
I forget what bullet.
That was one of the better carcasses.

Was it sako 123 grn 308 I had two fallow just behind the leg - one caused trauma through the outgoing leg and the whole neck, the other was like wrap around trauma
The round however is 100 % on a mid neck shot and no trauma

 

[@theroedeerguy]

I had them collect a good few carcasses last year, ALL were head/neck shot. Later got money knocked off because 2 were shot through the saddle!!
No way on earth they were!!

I have had 2 neck shot Roe graded as saddle damaged which I was puzzled by.

However, a couple of weeks ago I kept a neck shot Roe for my own use and when I skinned him there was severe bruising into the saddle well beyond low neck impact site.

In the grand scheme of things I’m willing to accept the grading given and realistically I have “lost” about a tenner financially.

I should add that I have had countless carcasses that I would have expected to be shoulder damaged that haven’t had any deductions and I’ve never phoned the game dealer yet to check they were sure about the grading.

If you shoot a reasonable amount of deer you will get the odd quirk in terms of carcass damage or bullet behaviour.

In my experience, Peterborough Game have graded a carcass as suffering damage greater than my initial in skin larder assessment for less than 1% of the carcasses submitted.

In the context of their reliability to collect and pay for carcasses, I’m willing to accept that carcass grading outcomes are just a variable part of the process.

Deer management after all, is never an exact science.

 

[VSS]

I have had 2 neck shot Roe graded as saddle damaged which I was puzzled by.

However, a couple of weeks ago I kept a neck shot Roe for my own use and when I skinned him there was severe bruising into the saddle well beyond low neck impact site.

In the grand scheme of things I’m willing to accept the grading given and realistically I have “lost” about a tenner financially.

I should add that I have had countless carcasses that I would have expected to be shoulder damaged that haven’t had any deductions and I’ve never phoned the game dealer yet to check they were sure about the grading.

If you shoot a reasonable amount of deer you will get the odd quirk in terms of carcass damage or bullet behaviour.

In my experience, Peterborough Game have graded a carcass as suffering damage greater than my initial in skin larder assessment for less than 1% of the carcasses submitted.

In the context of their reliability to collect and pay for carcasses, I’m willing to accept that carcass grading outcomes are just a variable part of the process.

Deer management after all, is never an exact science.

I have a photo somewhere of a loin that was damaged by bone fragments from the back of the head.
As you say, it's never an exact science.

 

[HonestJohn]

when I supplied Amazon FBA as a vendor, shipments were always ‘short’. We alswatsbhas evidence to prove they were not, but it’s know this is the Amazon Tax to their suppliers. Many will not dispute the shortage claims as it’s laborious, and specialist shortage claim companies exist to offer this service.

I’m guessing PG might be applying a similar ‘tax’ by grading. Who knows, but you can never really dispute it because you can’t take pictures of the carcasses with the skin off.

 

[Happy stalker]

I had them collect a good few carcasses last year, ALL were head/neck shot. Later got money knocked off because 2 were shot through the saddle!!
No way on earth they were!!

I had a very similar experience with them, I am far from being a beginner and skinned more beasts than I can remember, I would never use them again.

 

[Happy stalker]

Unfortunately we are caught between a rock and a hard place, game dealers know that we need them and can and do call the shots, I totally understand that they have overheads but we all do, a much better more transparent grading system is need then there would be no ambiguity,
Taken a photo of the skinned carcass with tag number still attached would go along way to help.

 

[Tyla]

You don't get something like that from a head /neck shot though do you?

I took a deer to the butcher that had been head shot front on with 308 bt, he sent me pics when he skinned it to show fragments peppered all the way down the loin. Never had it before or since but I've no reason to disbelieve him. Bullets do wierd things sometimes

 

[VSS]

I just found the pic I referred to earlier.
Loin from a headshot fallow.
Damage caused by bone fragments.

 

[Happy stalker]

I just found the pic I referred to earlier.
Loin from a headshot fallow.
Damage caused by bone fragments.
View attachment 416469

View attachment 416470

I am assuming that was from a front on head shot, as I have had that sort of damage before due to that shot placement, but never from a side on or from the rear.

 

[HonestJohn]

I am assuming that was from a front on head shot, as I have had that sort of damage before due to that shot placement, but never from a side on or from the rear.

Must be, side or rear are physically impossible unless the fragments ricochet off and are backstop back into the beast.

 

[jthyttin]

However, a couple of weeks ago I kept a neck shot Roe for my own use and when I skinned him there was severe bruising into the saddle well beyond low neck impact site.

This.

I don't find it too unusual to discover strange bruising in e.g. neck shot beasts (whitetail, boar). This is especially visible in loin (saddle) that is quite homogenous muscle. It's a different question what is the cause and end result, compared to direct damage by bullet and/or spine fragments.

IIRC this is usually related to beast dropping on the shot. And we don't usually neck shoot so I'd say the percentage is quite high. Almost everything goes to personal consumption so skinned before (suspended) gralloch.