Poll: sell to dealer? reg. as food business?

[Fursty Ferret]

Surely the game dealers should not be accepting game from sellers unless they can prove they are registered!?

 

[griff]

Surely the game dealers should not be accepting game from sellers unless they can prove they are registered!?

There is the problem!

 

[User00040]

In what area of the UK would answer number 3 apply?

Highlands and Islands, although might not be a part of the UK in the next decade (hopefully I'm wrong!)...

Selling venison illegally (eg, to a game dealer without being registered as a food business) is about on a level with poaching, night shooting without a licence, shooting deer out of season without a licence, shooting deer with a 22lr, etc etc etc.

Surprised you even managed to make it past the Borders given your disdain!

 

[HonestJohn]

Where I am there's no online application, only a phone number. Spent 1 1/2 hrs on hold yesterday and eventually gave up. Sent them an email and received a reply (funny they had time to reply to an email but couldn't pick up the phone) that it is not a matter they have the capacity to deal with in the forthcoming months due to pressures on staffing levels.

Well. there we have it as well.

 

[Leec6.5]

Where I am there's no online application, only a phone number. Spent 1 1/2 hrs on hold yesterday and eventually gave up. Sent them an email and received a reply (funny they had time to reply to an email but couldn't pick up the phone) that it is not a matter they have the capacity to deal with in the forthcoming months due to pressures on staffing levels.

Well. there we have it as well.

Well you tried

 

[Pete6.5]

Where I am there's no online application, only a phone number. Spent 1 1/2 hrs on hold yesterday and eventually gave up. Sent them an email and received a reply (funny they had time to reply to an email but couldn't pick up the phone) that it is not a matter they have the capacity to deal with in the forthcoming months due to pressures on staffing levels.

Well. there we have it as well.

Just keep the email and keep all the legal records and declare the money and you can sleep easy knowing your doing the right thing.

 

[HonestJohn]

Just keep the email and keep all the legal records and declare the money and you can sleep easy knowing your doing the right thing.

Wasn’t planning on selling to a GD until ducks in a row

 

[kenbro]

The outcome of the poll over 7 days, if people vote and do so honestly, will tell what needs to be done in educating the stalking community to align with regulations.

The point of this thread is to be constructive, and hope it is seen to be so for the overall good.

Does #7 have any bearing on this?
K.
PS. Sorry wrong orientation.

 

[VSS]

Does #7 have any bearing on this?
K.
PS. Sorry wrong orientation.

Yes. That's the Large Game Meat Hygiene qualification. You can use your certificate number as your "trained hunter" number to put on your carcass tags. The dealer should ask for it, but many don't it seems.
You still need the food business registration though.

 

[Stalker62]

PS. Sorry wrong orientation.

 

[muddy42]

I have just received this. Can anyone tell me what they look for in the inspection - record keeping and physical hygene standards?

 

[75]

I have just received this. Can anyone tell me what they look for in the inspection - record keeping and physical hygene standards?


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It’s all about compliance with the relevant regs rather than meeting an absolute standard (although obviously there is a threshold minimum!!).

 

[muddy42]

It’s all about compliance with the relevant regs rather than meeting an absolute standard (although obviously there is a threshold minimum!!).

Thanks. Sorry if its a stupid question but what are the relevant regs and what exactly are they looking for? I am applying to sell whole deer with the skin still on, so its not like they need to check my kitchen is clean enough or I use red plastic chopping boards.

I have passed my large game handling certificate from DSC L1, which I understood qualified me to gralloch, inspect, transport deer cleanly and store them properly in a chiller.

Are they simply checking my chiller is clean enough or am I missing something ?

 

[75]

Thanks. Sorry if its a stupid question but what are the relevant regs and what exactly are they looking for? I am applying to sell whole deer with the skin still on, so its not like they need to check my kitchen is clean enough or I use red plastic chopping boards.

I have passed my large game handling certificate from DSC L1, which I understood qualified me to gralloch, inspect, transport deer cleanly and store them properly in a chiller.

Are they simply checking my chiller is clean enough or am I missing something ?

Look at the FSA Wild Game Guide. That’s the key bit.

 

[homer]

Thanks. Sorry if its a stupid question but what are the relevant regs and what exactly are they looking for? I am applying to sell whole deer with the skin still on, so its not like they need to check my kitchen is clean enough or I use red plastic chopping boards.

I have passed my large game handling certificate from DSC L1, which I understood qualified me to gralloch, inspect, transport deer cleanly and store them properly in a chiller.

Are they simply checking my chiller is clean enough or am I missing something ?

According to the Scottish venison association, you dont need to be registered as a food business to sell to the game dealer!

 

[jcampbellsmith]

I have just received this. Can anyone tell me what they look for in the inspection - record keeping and physical hygene standards?


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Paperwork was the inspector's focus. I started to record the fridge temps after the inspection.
Regards
JCS

 

[VSS]

Record keeping, mostly. And evidence that you actually know what you're doing, for example they might ask you to talk through some of your procedures. And waste disposal. And cleanliness, including the vehicle that you use for transporting carcasses.

 

[HonestJohn]

According to the Scottish venison association, you dont need to be registered as a food business to sell to the game dealer!

Boom.

talk more about this as that's interesting

 

[muddy42]

According to the Scottish venison association, you dont need to be registered as a food business to sell to the game dealer!

I wish, there is no way I am driving every deer 40 miles each way to the nearest game dealer only to be told I need to head shoot with copper. There was a time when game dealers would collect and leave cash in a jam jar! I intend to sell/give away deer locally to a few people that I have taught to butcher deer.

Record keeping, mostly. And evidence that you actually know what you're doing, for example they might ask you to talk through some of your procedures. And waste disposal. And cleanliness, including the vehicle that you use for transporting carcasses.

Thanks. I keep records of each deer shot and can talk through my process and procedures. However I am not sure the council know much about deer, they seem more used to licensing chip shops!

 

[HonestJohn]

here's what I don't understand, which will be my process.

Deer is shot in field, gralloched and inspected in field and, transported to my truck, put in truck on clean tarpaulin, driven to GD, tagged and left. If splitting breast bone etc. I will do so at the GD who has relevant tools at disposal, they also have waste disposal for the waste. if brought there.

Animal waste during gralloch - what do you state? left for the foxes or buried 3ft under for every deer, let's be honest, no one carries a spade and no one carries the guts back in the roesack