This is what I found on their website.
Its in the "supply in the skin" section.
Poll: sell to dealer? reg. as food business?
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Its in the "supply in the skin" section.
This might be a bit clearer.
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HonestJohn
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thanks, well that's as clear as daylight if it's correct.
if it's wrong then it's very embarrassing for them, but I, as you, suspect they are indeed correct.
now, who can verify if they're right or wrong?
If this is true, its going to mess up the poll.
Earlier discussion on here has already shown that organisation to be an unreliable source of information in this respect.
That's all fine.here's what I don't understand, which will be my process.
Deer is shot in field, gralloched and inspected in field and, transported to my truck, put in truck on clean tarpaulin, driven to GD, tagged and left. If splitting breast bone etc. I will do so at the GD who has relevant tools at disposal, they also have waste disposal for the waste. if brought there.
Animal waste during gralloch - what do you state? left for the foxes or buried 3ft under for every deer, let's be honest, no one carries a spade and no one carries the guts back in the roesack
The answer to those questions is simply to say "in accordance with best practice guidance" without being any more specific than that, while waving a copy of your stalking risk assessment document under the inspector's nose
(ps, drop me a PM if you'd like a template for a risk assessment document that has already met with the approval of several inspection agencies).
The poll already reflects the fact that there are stalkers who believe it to be correct.
Yes, it does seem to contradict other info, but if you're putting it on your website, surely you'd check first?thanks, well that's as clear as daylight if it's correct.
if it's wrong then it's very embarrassing for them, but I, as you, suspect they are indeed correct.
now, who can verify if they're right or wrong?
HonestJohn
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I've emailed the local council to ask them to check the facts for Scotland and provide some accurate information
It depends. I assumed the point of the poll was to check how many people are compliant with the regs. If you don't need to register as a food business to sell to a Scottish game dealer, without know how many respondents are from Scotland and how many sell to a game dealer rather than direct to a customer, the results are difficult to interpret.
The whole thing is as clear as mud. It is high time our beloved shooting organizations (which proclaim to promote the sale of wild venison) shed some light on it.
Some of the people who voted "no" in the poll will have done so in the belief that they are compliant with the regs for their area.
HonestJohn
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Right! Here is the official reply! (Scotland)
Thank you for confirming your food handling activity. You are correct in that if you are supplying the carcasses in the skin to a game dealer your activity is considered ‘Primary Production’ under current food law and you do not need to be registered as a food business, but do have to follow good hygiene practices. This is confirmed by the Food Standards Scotland guidance here: https://www.foodstandards.gov.scot/downloads/FSS_Wild_Game_Guide-_December_2021.pdf Section 4.
If you ever do more than this, then get back in contact with us as you would then probably need to be approved or registered.
Kind Regards,
Thank you for confirming your food handling activity. You are correct in that if you are supplying the carcasses in the skin to a game dealer your activity is considered ‘Primary Production’ under current food law and you do not need to be registered as a food business, but do have to follow good hygiene practices. This is confirmed by the Food Standards Scotland guidance here: https://www.foodstandards.gov.scot/downloads/FSS_Wild_Game_Guide-_December_2021.pdf Section 4.
If you ever do more than this, then get back in contact with us as you would then probably need to be approved or registered.
Kind Regards,
HonestJohn
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as an FYI - this was the reply from the council's environmental health officer, so I'll take that.
Whoever sent you that email should have read the document first.
The relevant section is 5, not 4, and it very clearly states that registration as a food business is required for supply of in-skin game to an AGHE.
No ambiguity whatsoever.
HonestJohn
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I give up...
so the environmental health officer through whom you're 'supposed' to register says, nope, not needed.
time to pretty much just give up
good thing I eat all my own game, but still, makes a mockery..
Maybe @Conor O'Gorman @ BASC should pick up on this thread and run an official statement out, that would be helpful...that is, if BASC knows the facts on the matter of course.
bottletopbill
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Feel sorry fo Conor at BASC so let us see what they say for all the UK other regiones
This should be a relatively easy win for BASC of BDS to clear up this confusion.
It would appear the confusion is magnified (yet again!) by Scotland taking a different legal interpretation to England. This is bonkers and could cause extra problems for a game dealer or stalker living near the border or with two patches of ground.
It would appear the confusion is magnified (yet again!) by Scotland taking a different legal interpretation to England. This is bonkers and could cause extra problems for a game dealer or stalker living near the border or with two patches of ground.
That is definitely my experience although I'm sure that some areas of the country are different. I've registered with 2 different local authorities over the years and on both occasions the inspectors have been lovely but clueless about deer stalking. They were very interested in the whole thing though and basically asked me to talk through the whole process from shot to final product (whether that be whole carcass to AGHE or processed end product such as burgers - depends on what you're registering to do) and asked questions about things like hygiene, cold chain and packaging at various points. If for example you're only registering to be able to drop deer straight from the estate to game dealer then the requirements will be different to if you want to hang, skin and butcher a deer yourself. The former wouldn't require your own chiller or clean butchery area for example.
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