Private firearms purchase and RFD transfer, license requirements

[EMcC]

Paid for by your RFD, according to your post #10
So if the person you had lined up to buy it backs out, your RFD is out of pocket and stuck with a rifle he doesn't want.

No he doesn't I give him the money the guy that backed out gave me and when the RFD finds another buyer he repays me.
Of course this is all hypothetical because it has never happened yet !

 

[VSS]

No he doesn't I give him the money the guy that backed out gave me and when the RFD finds another buyer he repays me.
Of course this is all hypothetical because it has never happened yet !

In your earlier post you stated that you'd sold the rifle to your RFD.
Now you're stating that a third person had paid you for the rifle (ie, you'd sold it to him, not to your RFD).
Those two things are poles apart.
If it was a third person who paid you for the rifle then you, personally, have to fill in that person's FAC, regardless of whether the actual handover of the rifle was carried out by an RFD.
That's just the way it is.

 

[EMcC]

In your earlier post you stated that you'd sold the rifle to your RFD.
Now you're stating that a third person had paid you for the rifle (ie, you'd sold it to him, not to your RFD).
Those two things are poles apart.
If it was a third person who paid you for the rifle then you, personally, have to fill in that person's FAC, regardless of whether the actual handover of the rifle was carried out by an RFD.
That's just the way it is.

Thanks for that clarification.
The third person deposited with me the amount I was asking for the rifle I had for sale.
I then gave the rifle to my local RFD who took it on his stock until he forwarded it to an RFD near the potential buyer who also took it on his register as stock.
The potential buyer was then contacted and told the rifle he was looking for is in stock locally and could be collected.
His local RFD entered it on his FC and struck it off of his register, job done.
I'm just glad I don't need to do it any more.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

If you’re nervous (I would be) then ask the seller to speak to the sending RFD (or get details and speak to them yourself) to see if you can send your ticket to them. The vendor can then fill it out when they drop the rifle off and your FAC can be packaged up and returned with the rifle.

The FAC should be returned separately to the rifle. So you can take it to the receiving RFD and get your rifle. Semantics possibly but I would also from a security point of view not have the two in the same parcel.
Although the idea of having the seller fill in your FAC when dropping off the rifle is not a bad idea. You should be able to check up on a RFD easier than a private individual. A small fee to the RFD for the service would make it worth their while, and everyone involved stays right side of the law.

 

[VSS]

Thanks for that clarification.
The third person deposited with me the amount I was asking for the rifle I had for sale.
I then gave the rifle to my local RFD who took it on his stock until he forwarded it to an RFD near the potential buyer who also took it on his register as stock.
The potential buyer was then contacted and told the rifle he was looking for is in stock locally and could be collected.
His local RFD entered it on his FC and struck it off of his register, job done.
I'm just glad I don't need to do it any more.

Yes, that's the way we've all customarily done transfers in the past, and I think we're all agreed it's sensible. But it's not legal, it's in breach of the conditions on your FAC, and there seems to have been a bit of a clampdown in recent years to stop it happening.
Basically, the person who you're describing as the "potential purchaser" is nothing of the sort. He's already purchased it, by virtue of having given you the money. So you've sold him a rifle without sight of his FAC. That's the problem.

 

[EMcC]

Yes, that's the way we've all customarily done transfers in the past, and I think we're all agreed it's sensible. But it's not legal, it's in breach of the conditions on your FAC, and there seems to have been a bit of a clampdown in recent years to stop it happening.
Basically, the person who you're describing as the "potential purchaser" is nothing of the sort. He's already purchased it, by virtue of having given you the money. So you've sold him a rifle without sight of his FAC. That's the problem.

No, he would have sent me a copy of his FC by e mail showing his authority to acquire.
This is getting a bit protracted now so have told you how I did it in the past, some years ago in fact, so am not going to add any more to this post.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

It never ceases to amaze me that FAC/SGC holders, will argue black is blue even when presented with the relevant legislation.
Yes the law is an ass, it doesn't keep up with technology is antiquated in many ways. But it is the law, and if you want to keep enjoying your sport then it is advisable to abide by it.
It is hard enough to get and keep a FAC without giving FLD the ammunition to remove it from you. So as my Great Granny Smith used to say "Do as you will, you will do as your told".

 

[M@tt]

It always amazes me how many FAC holders don't know what is written on their FACs, or choose to ignore it.

And then there are those who will argue that RM Special Delivery/Signed-For isn't secure enough, but the police send your FAC to you in the second class post, often with "xxx Police Firearms Dept" stamped on the back and a window on the front where the FAC can be seen.

 

[Greenmist]

On a similar note, twice recently I've offered to buy a moderated .410 on gunstar, everything looked to be going ahead, I have no issue sending my ticket to the seller for them to fill in, however, on both occasions I asked the seller to send me a picture of their sgc showing the address I was to send mine to, never to be heard from again

 

[Demetrius]

I've never ever bought a firearm without inspecting it first.......that way madness lies.

D.

 

[Sonicdmb73]

On a similar note, twice recently I've offered to buy a moderated .410 on gunstar, everything looked to be going ahead, I have no issue sending my ticket to the seller for them to fill in, however, on both occasions I asked the seller to send me a picture of their sgc showing the address I was to send mine to, never to be heard from again

It would seem your due diligence has prevented someone from obtaining your certificate that may have had less than honest intentions.
If only there was a system available where someone can share details to confirm they are appropriately licensed for a particular reason. Oh there is DVLA shares details with insurers employers etc, a similar set up would probably work for firearms licensing.

 

[weblyish]

It would seem your due diligence has prevented someone from obtaining your certificate that may have had less than honest intentions.
If only there was a system available where someone can share details to confirm they are appropriately licensed for a particular reason. Oh there is DVLA shares details with insurers employers etc, a similar set up would probably work for firearms licensing.

EVisa check code system was brought in from scratch in under 18 months and covers over 18million entries (existing, expired and family dependent)
If the government actually wanted to do this following that fake shotgun cert thing this year they could be half way there by now

 

[Sonicdmb73]

EVisa check code system was brought in from scratch in under 18 months and covers over 18million entries (existing, expired and family dependent)
If the government actually wanted to do this following that fake shotgun cert thing this year they could be half way there by now

Unfortunately nothing (except a ban) happens quickly in firearm licensing.

 

[Bowland blades]

Just do an RFD to RFD transfer and pay the receiving RFD. Obviously your money is used to pay the sender in advance , well that's how i have done it in the past

 

[M@tt]

Just do an RFD to RFD transfer and pay the receiving RFD. Obviously your money is used to pay the sender in advance , well that's how i have done it in the past

I guess the seller can always go to the sending RFD when he drops the rifle off and fill out the buyer's FAC there.

 

[broad_head]

Thanks for all input and comments, think I understand how to proceed with my licence.