RFD to RFD transfer but held on third party FAC?

[JMH123]

My RFD is posting a rifle for me (currently held on my FAC) to another RFD, who has bought and paid for it.
As I understand the process, the rifle is taken to the Post Office by my RFD and sent via Parcelforce 48, with my RFD disclosing his details, the parcel contents, and those of the recipient.
I then advise my issuing firearms department that I have sold the rifle, and give the purchasers details.

Is that all correct? I don't need to actively transfer the rifle to my RFD prior to him posting it?
Out of interest, do all Post Offices accept firearms for postage (from an RFD), or just certain branches?

Thanks

 

[75]

I doubt any post office will accept it!!! And nor should they - it needs to be direct with Parcelforce not left behind the Post Office counter until Parcelforce turn up for their daily collection. Just let the RFD sort out the transport as they'll be familiar with the process but I think it needs to be collection not drop off at Post Office. And read your cert - it covers this scenario where buyer is remote and sale goes via an RFD. I don't have mine to hand at the minute as it's off for a variation otherwise I'd send you the relevant bit. I think it's after the conditions and before Table 1 (but may be after Table 1). I'm pretty sure you only put the final buyer though and not the RFD(s) in the middle.

From Parcelforce T&C

Carriage of firearms

A service for Section 1 and 2 firearms and low-powered airguns (as defined by the Firearms Act 1968, as amended), imitation firearms, de-activated guns, antique firearms, paintball guns and inert projectiles (not prohibited by s5 of the Firearms Act 1968 as amended) is available to contract customers only, at the absolute discretion of Parcelforce Worldwide, and is subject to Parcelforce Worldwide providing prior written agreement in advance. Where Parcelforce Worldwide provide concurrence to sending firearms, it is subject to a number of conditions

which include:

• Collections and deliveries of section 1 and 2 firearms will only be accepted where it can be shown to Parcelforce Worldwide’s satisfaction that both the sender and the recipient are Registered Firearms Dealers.

 

[JMH123]

I'll check my cert- thanks. The problem is my RFD is not familiar with the process, having not done it before (he is not a shop etc). The proposal was as I have outlined above. Just wanting to make sure its done right. Hopefully an RFD on here can confirm.

 

[Raytrade UK]

I'll check my cert- thanks. The problem is my RFD is not familiar with the process, having not done it before (he is not a shop etc). The proposal was as I have outlined above. Just wanting to make sure its done right. Hopefully an RFD on here can confirm.

Firearms need to be sent on Parcelforce AM Secure. It will be collection only from the RFD's premises. If your RFD doesn't know how to arrange it, ask for the receiving RFD to order a collection from your RFD's address as a time convenient to the sending RFD. They will give a quoted timeframe in which someone needs to be there to hand the parcel over. Best not to have anything about firearms on the box!

 

[JMH123]

Firearms need to be sent on Parcelforce AM Secure. It will be collection only from the RFD's premises. If your RFD doesn't know how to arrange it, ask for the receiving RFD to order a collection from your RFD's address as a time convenient to the sending RFD. They will give a quoted timeframe in which someone needs to be there to hand the parcel over. Best not to have anything about firearms on the box!

This is ideal and sensible- exactly the info I needed, thanks. I'll do that, and the purchasing RFD can then control the process. Presumably it needs to be from the address listed on my RFD's certificate?

 

[Raytrade UK]

This is ideal and sensible- exactly the info I needed, thanks. I'll do that, and the purchasing RFD can then control the process. Presumably it needs to be from the address listed on my RFD's certificate?

Yes, it does.

 

[JMH123]

Yes, it does.

Sorry- one last thing, do I need to formally transfer the rifle to the sending RFD prior, or can I simply advise my firearms dept. I have transferred to the purchasing RFD?

 

[Eric the Red]

Sorry- one last thing, do I need to formally transfer the rifle to the sending RFD prior, or can I simply advise my firearms dept. I have transferred to the purchasing RFD?

Latter. Ensure you have a proof of postage and a courtesy email of receipt

 

[MAH]

My RFD is posting a rifle for me (currently held on my FAC) to another RFD, who has bought and paid for it.
As I understand the process, the rifle is taken to the Post Office by my RFD and sent via Parcelforce 48, with my RFD disclosing his details, the parcel contents, and those of the recipient.
I then advise my issuing firearms department that I have sold the rifle, and give the purchasers details.

Is that all correct? I don't need to actively transfer the rifle to my RFD prior to him posting it?
Out of interest, do all Post Offices accept firearms for postage (from an RFD), or just certain branches?

Thanks

My understanding is:
A. Parcel Force pick up from the RFDs address.
B. The process on your certificate describes a sale to a remote "individual ", ie there are 4 people involved. The seller the buyer, and two rfds in between. And the buyer sends you their certificate for you to check update.
C. Most, all? RFD transactions are digital now, not paper, si don't see how B) above could be applied when the "buyer" is an RFD. But id think that you still need sight of the buyers rfd licence (eg photo) as a minimum.

Hopefully an experienced RFD on here will clarify.

M.

 

[JMH123]

My understanding is:
A. Parcel Force pick up from the RFDs address.
B. The process on your certificate describes a sale to a remote "individual ", ie there are 4 people involved. The seller the buyer, and two rfds in between. And the buyer sends you their certificate for you to check update.
C. Most, all? RFD transactions are digital now, not paper, si don't see how B) above could be applied when the "buyer" is an RFD. But id think that you still need sight of the buyers rfd licence (eg photo) as a minimum.

Hopefully an experienced RFD on here will clarify.

M.

Thanks- yes, I have the buyers FAC and RFD cert.

 

[Nick-St]

I would transfer from the seller into my RFD register, then transfer it out to the receiving RFD. That keeps full traceability between the FAC holder and the two dealers...

You can send technically send firearms in the mail - but you'll have a problem with the parcel size limits.

The rules are:

• UK - Allowed in the mail, see restrictions and packaging guidelines below:
  • Guns intended for sporting purposes - including Section 1 (e.g. hunting rifles) and Section 2 (e.g. shotguns) firearms, low-powered air weapons and their component parts - may be sent in compliance with UK law and subject to domestic controls on the possession of firearms. Antiques, deactivated and imitation firearms are also permitted. When sending deactivated firearms include proof of deactivation.
  • Items that appear to be prohibited weapons may be subject to additional checks and delays.
  • Use 1st Class as the minimum service. The senders name and address must be clear on the packaging. Low-powered air weapons which exceed the Royal Mail size restrictions are accepted by Parcelforce Worldwide, using express48 via the Post Office.
  • Guns must not be loaded.
  • Air weapons with an integral gas cylinder that are de-pressurised can only be accepted. Air weapons with gas cylinders that are pressurised are prohibited
  • Air weapons with a pressurised removable gas cylinder which is still attached are prohibited
  • Must be packed in rigid outer packaging suitable for the gun size and weight, for example a fibreboard box, with sufficient inner packaging to prevent movement during transport.

 

[Skinny Pete]

Since the receiving Rfd is the purchaser ( he has paid you for the gun) , he will be the person you notify your licensing department about as being the end user.
He will notify his licensing authority to notify them of the purchase from you.