I agree. But if, in 1996, they weren't as developed in their use of headspace gauges as they are now, they wouldn't have been able to proof the gun if they couldn't chamber the cartridges. And it sounds like they wouldn't have been able to, which adds to my misgivings as to the proof marks.
Re-barreling UK
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harrygrey382
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Im struggling with this statement.
TBH, I am struggling with the alleged re-proof of that rifle to .223.
I don't think the proof house knows what a go / no go gauge is. They fire 1-2 proof cartridges and that's it.
As for certified gauges....
Physical examination:
The barrel and action are inspected to ensure that there are no visible signs of weakness or undue wear. The barrels are also measured and gauged to ensure that they conform to precise dimensions and tolerances.This is taken from the London Proof House website. I am pretty sure they invested heavily in gauges and they also gained ISO accreditation. Definitely 2 proof rounds per barrel is the CIP requirement.
Maybe Sierra would be happy to listen if you gave them a call offering to consult for them.
Their published load data for 223 Rem was developed on a Remington 600 with a 24" 1:14 twist barrel: http://accurateshooter.net/Downloads/sierra223rembolt.pdf
They clearly don't know a thing, despite being in the bullet making business for decades...
I am struggling to comprehend how blokes on the internet think they know the intimacies of the two UK proof houses and the systems they use.
Things been a bit quiet since all the pubs shut?
Absolutely! Thank goodness for home delivery............
Remmington 700 in win mag brand new stock from Edgar bros at tge time , barrel loose to the hand ! Now I know allsort can slip through any qc but thats taking the proverbial
There's a reason Remington is in bankruptcy proceedings...
(RIP) Remington In PIeces...................
Having recently gone through the process of developing tubes for my employer, and as an experienced engineer I can tell you there is a LOT more that goes in to making firstly and then fitting a barrel than is commonly understood. Of course economy of scale has a bearing as well and the US has a much larger market. Gunsmiths always seem to come under fire (sorry) for their pricing but the fact is if they charged less, particularly in the UK, there would be far fewer in business.
A brilliant resum'e of what this Art/Craft entails. I'm afraid that there are a lot of folk who want everything for nothing, and know nothing to boot!!, talking of boots, and want a bespoke pair of best Loaks for £2.50p!!. I recall a friend who had a pair of shoes 50 years old, and were in beautiful condition, he said when he passed away I could have them.....but they were the wrong size, it only goes to show, you get what you pay for. Personally I would decline client's who believe they could get my advice elsewhere cheaper !!!
Patrick
I used to dream of having pairs of Loakes.
welshwarrior
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They are good 20 years ago I bought 2 pairs of Chelsea boots the first pair got thrown out in lockdown 1.0 and I’ve had over 6 months at home to wearing the spare pair.
Surely it's like anything else in life. If a gunsmith who has a proven reputation is asked to do a job(rebarrel) and says how he will do it, what he will use and what the cost will be then you are free to make up your own mind to say yes or no. I have a short list of people in my mind who I would use and one of them would be Ronin
Totally unrelated: I do some fencing. If I am asked to do a job I cant by my nature do a bad job or cut corners. I tell the customers this and tell them my recommendations and price. I seen another local guy doing a job for a woman, erect five 6ft panels with 6 posts. I never thought much of it until a friend of the woman asked me how much would you have charged just for the labour and the postcrete. I said well, i dont use postcrete so it would be a days work so £150. He said the person charged her £1000. The sad thing is the fence started to lean over so he went back dug the holes wider and put more postcrete in. Now that's a rip off
Totally unrelated: I do some fencing. If I am asked to do a job I cant by my nature do a bad job or cut corners. I tell the customers this and tell them my recommendations and price. I seen another local guy doing a job for a woman, erect five 6ft panels with 6 posts. I never thought much of it until a friend of the woman asked me how much would you have charged just for the labour and the postcrete. I said well, i dont use postcrete so it would be a days work so £150. He said the person charged her £1000. The sad thing is the fence started to lean over so he went back dug the holes wider and put more postcrete in. Now that's a rip off
Trevor Proctor wouldn’t admit to it but he used LW pre fits on occasion eg 9.3x62. Shot as well as the others.
harrygrey382
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Of course. There are a lot of very respected high end gunsmiths that use LW barrels. They only long chamber as well so the gunsmith only has to face off to length -how cutting your own chamber is better I can’t imagine. I can see how a short chambered barrel could be not so good. And how you can trust a manufacturer to make a barrel to a satisfactory standard but not chamber and cut the threads properly is confusing.
Barrels are made by machine . Chambered on precision lathes that someone skilled takes a great deal of care and time getting true to the bore before reaming the chamber correctly for the cartridge in question.
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