Available: red and roe sydicate

[happyhunt]

2 places left in 6 gun syndicate shooting red and roe on approx 550 acres of a single block and two satellite woods
It Has been unshot for years with no deer management on it,consisting of mature pine coming down to about 10 year old trees, no new planting as yet.with good ride networks.so plenty of deer and minimal disturbance
The forest is in an area of open hill and large tracts of forestry
DCS level 1 as a minium
relevent insurance
if you use a quad for extraction then you must have the relevent quals
caravan will be on site, if you want to use this, then you must share the costs.
area is stirling/dunblane area
not fc ground , so no lamping or culling except by the named guns.
4 x 4 reqd to get to the ground or a long walk.
out of season licence can be applied for if needed
all shot deer are to be extracted and removed
looking to start mid jan
price £1000 per gun

 

[Rake Aboot]

I would be interested in this,, PM sent

 

[DazT]

Would be very interested in this but wouldn't be able to join til april 2012.
If that would be possible - drop me a pm

Cheers
Daz

 

[taco c]

When did 217 hectares become 700 acres

 

[Thar]

700 Acres 6 guns @ £1000 per gun £6,000 for 700 acres = £8.57 per acre.
But if 217 hectares = 521 acres or £11.52 per acre.

 

[mark g]

700 Acres 6 guns @ £1000 per gun £6,000 for 700 acres = £8.57 per acre.
But if 217 hectares = 521 acres or £11.52 per acre.

+1

 

[rudy65]

Very expensive for the area it is in but what might be of more interest to the potential syndicate members is cull plan for the next few years and expected cull figures per year.

 

[Blue400]

+1

I wonder what the cull numbers are, as there isn't any mentioned?

 

[happyhunt]

I am not the lease holder , only the guy putting the syndicate together, so I have no control over the price, it is what it is, if its too expensive for you then no problem, but do not judge it on size alone.
With no previous shooting on this piece there is no cull figures to go off, but going on the amount of sign and browse we seen then I would expect to take at least 20-25 red deer and 20-25 roe deer of this area in the first year, if there is clear fell and then replant ,figures would be adjusted to prevent damage.

 

[happyhunt]

all pms answered

 

[Thar]

Mature spruce Plantation of 500 to 700 Acres, to take up to 50 deer off.

 

[happyhunt]

Thar, how do you presume deer numbers on your ground, on the size of the ground or the amount of sign and damage seen, I know which one I am going for.

 

[Grouse Track]

The guy is offering stalking, something that is like hen's teeth. Why have a go about cull figures, area's or try and take the ****? If you think its no good or not for you then leave it be. All your doing is putting folk off from trying to help other members get a bit of ground and a start.

Gt

 

[venison16]

The guy is offering stalking, something that is like hen's teeth. Why have a go about cull figures, area's or try and take the ****? If you think its no good or not for you then leave it be. All your doing is putting folk off from trying to help other members get a bit of ground and a start.

Gt

+1

 

[happyhunt]

thanks grouse track, it boils my p'ss that people presume everything, its a chance to join a syndicate with red stalking in scotland. it doe'st come up that often as you say.

 

[jamross65]

thanks grouse track, it boils my p'ss that people presume everything, its a chance to join a syndicate with red stalking in scotland. it doe'st come up that often as you say.

Happyhunt

This is by no way meant as a criticism, but perhaps a wee bit of advice (if I could be so presumptuous) to you or any potential member of your syndicate.

Browse damage or droppings counts for very little IMO regarding numbers on the ground at any given time.

The browse damage could have been caused over the last 5 years by a small number wintering on the ground. How many times does a red deer or roe in that area do a sh*t? Is it one deer doing a sh*t 10 times a day or 5 deer doing it twice a day?

I do not think 50 deer off 700acres is unreasonable as I know a stalker near Forres who used to shoot over 20 off a 50acre block every year, as the deer liked it and constantly moved in as space was made. However, generally speaking it seems a lot.

That said, if it was me I think I would be asking the owner for a reasonable period of assessment and a suitable fee in accordance with what is shot for the first season, and the full amount payable if indeed the numbers are there for the following period of the lease. Another question I would ask is, is the lease to be sustainable or is it a case of taking out all deer there? Because if this is the first year, do you know if the ground can sustain that number coming off, and maintain 50+ each year thereafter?

Regardless, all the best in the venture...

 

[Thar]

The guy is offering stalking, something that is like hen's teeth. Why have a go about cull figures, area's or try and take the ****? If you think its no good or not for you then leave it be. All your doing is putting folk off from trying to help other members get a bit of ground and a start.

Gt

I was trying to be gentle and not completely trash his offer, but if you want to provoke it to be full on then so be it, you want it as it is then you get it.

This is my opinion only and as you say people are desperate to get stalking and anything is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for it, but there in is the rub. People can easily pay a lot for a little, in my experience this is a lot of money for what is on offer and I don’t want to see newbies that have little experience have their pants pulled down.

So what should somebody be paying, well I will give real figures from syndicates that I am a member of or have first-hand knowledge of.

I am a member of 3 syndicates, but will give examples of 4 as I have and do stalk all of them.
First one is in the Kinross area about the same area as the one advertised with one of the big Forestry company, trees 10 years to 15 years old 90% of the boundary is farm land with some top quality bucks about roe and red on the land 6 guns £135 each per gun.

Second one Argyle and Bute again Forestry Company with large areas of new plant and yet more trees being felled about 3 to 4 times the area of the one advertised almost all red a few roe, 7 guns £650 each gun .

Third one 4 to 5 times the area of the one advertised in Dumfries and Galloway, a lot of new plant described by the forestry company as roe deer paradise, cull 60 roe, we are constantly under pressure to keep the numbers down, 7 members £550 per gun.

Fourth syndicate is around 10 times the area of the one advertised Dumfries and Galloway again, cull is 100 deer red and roe with big Galloway stags on it, 6 guns £1000 per gun.

The deer is yours to keep of all these leases caravans on site too except the last one.

If you want to join this syndicate then do so but at least you will know that it is expensive in comparison to some, that does not mean of cause it is not worth it to you.


Sorry happyhunt you pushed, so I push back, I am sure that you will get you 2 members let us know next year if you get 50 deer off your 500 arces.

Tahr

 

[big cat]

+1 just the cost that puts people off,but if they had to keep paying for days stalking how much would it be then

 

[happyhunt]

thanks jamross, indeed you raise some good points and quite correct in asking them.

when we went up to view there was snow on the ground which gives a reasonal estimate of animal numbers, we also found large wide well worn tracks through the trees caused by a considerable number of deer moving and living in the forest not just one or two deer going from place to place occasionaly.
every self set we seen was ruined and although you correctly say this is not a true indication ,the very recent bark stripping over a large area was.
I might be a bit high in the count but the aim is to get the numbers down, remember this has not had deer contol on it for years.
the lease needs to be signed up and paid for, so I don't think there is room for movement , although I did ask, and at a grand for the year I am going to take the chance.
if it proves to be very good ground then we will continue , if not then we can walk away
I also took along a keeper and stalker of long standing who I respect "and is one of the guns by the way" who has seen more deer ground than most people for a second opinion, and he came up with the same conclusion as me
regards
graham

 

[Thar]

Jamross65
You put your point so much more gently and diplomatically than mine.

ATB

Tahr