Available: red and roe sydicate

[happyhunt]

thar , do you want the lease holders name and take it up with him, its him that has set the price not me, I have been stalking years and I don't want to pay a grand either but I am not as lucky as you to have all that wonderful stalking for next to nothing, so will pay it, just like anyone else who wants red stalking.

 

[jamross65]

Jamross65
You put your point so much more gently and diplomatically than mine.

ATB

Tahr

I must be mellowing!!!

 

[Thar]

thar , do you want the lease holders name and take it up with him, its him that has set the price not me, I have been stalking years and I don't want to pay a grand either but I am not as lucky as you to have all that wonderful stalking for next to nothing, so will pay it, just like anyone else who wants red stalking.

My stalking is not for nothing, it is the going rate, your lease holder is exploring people that are desperate for stalking IMO, if anybody wants good value red or sika stalking them PM Malc the site owner or Jamross. I have contacts for roe stalking if it is wanted.

My view is the site should be about helping others out, especially newbies, it is conceivable that they do not know what the going rate is for stalking, I am sure you will find 2 members that are prepared to pay the money, whether they are being exploited by the lease owner only they can say.

One problem is that if they are people daft enough to keep paying these prices it will price out the normal workingman, patience and keep doing a good job of the stalking, be a good keen man and it will come your way over the years, the trouble is in today society a lot of people want it all and all now.

The people that say it is cheap compared to buying days well yes and no, you are not just buying the stalking when you are guided, you are paying for the time of the guide, a plumber or any tradesman will charge you £25 per hour plus vat, if you look at a two 3 hour stalks in a day plus travel time and larder time your guide will have worked 8 hours that day and unsociable hours in most cases too, if he charges you £250 for the day he has not charged you more than a plumber for his time.

One point with such a small acreage what is the position with the land around you block? Have you spoken to the lease holders or farmers?

Sorry to **** on your parade but I tried to be gentle to start with.

ATB

Tahr

 

[jimbo123p]

I know a 55 acre block not that far away that commands £155O plus vat, Red and roe and FC next door lamping every night. Since when did 550 acres constitute small. If it is holding deer red and roe in any number £6000 for six rifles is not a bad investment. Remember 3,000 of shot out FC land is getting the same money. If I am guessing correctly I have a lease through HH that possibly the same lease holder and the price will be genuine and fair to lease costs. Thar if you know where there is a better deal post it up because you are cat calling again with nothing up front. Jim

 

[happyhunt]

its really no bother to me, if people take up the offer or not.
lets look at the maths as you have done, £250 for the day x 4 days = £1000 or £1000 for a whole years stalking with the chance to shoot some big animals where your not going to get your pants pulled down if its bigger than an eight pointer at say £100 a point extra ,to most folk its a no brainer
a few folk on here have said your a kn'bhead and I'am not going to argue

 

[Thar]

Jim I see from other posts that you know Happyhunt, so no surprise to see you coming on this post to have a go, so it is 550 acres not 700, well that is small in my book, one person would cover it all in one weekend unless you spend a lot of time in a high seat. I have never questioned that HH is just passing on the costs, I have posted 4 syndicates that offer far far fairer lease costs than this one on already known cull figures not maybes. There are 7 members off this site that stalk with me on various leases, want names? I can PM them you, no cat calling going on here Jim, just looking out for my fellow stalkers, I know that the thoughts I have expressed are shared by others on here.

Jim I have never had a problem getting members for my syndicates, certainly never needed to advertise them on here or any were else but that does ot mean SD members have not been helped out, members I know who need a hand or have helped me out in the past are only a phone call away. So ask yourself why does HH have to advertise his places?

ATB

Tahr

 

[jimbo123p]

Yes I know HH, through an advert on here I now have several thousand acres less than ten minutes from my front door at a fraction of prices quoted for syndicates on here. I know he has been looking for red/roe ground and the price reflects what areas over this side are going for. Ask Widows son about tilhill and the 155 acres in fife. and LB's comments. £10 an acre and no red few roe,

 

[Thar]

a few folk on here have said your a kn'bhead and I'am not going to argue

If stopping newbie stalkers getting ripped off makes me a kn’bhead in a few people eyes, then I can live with that mate. Enough PMs coming through to saying fuk me that is a total rip off for me to know that I have a valid point.

So what price should a fulltime professional red deerstalking guide, charge for a day’s stalking? Bearing in mind how short the red stalking season is?

 

[Thar]

Yes I know HH, through an advert on here I now have several thousand acres less than ten minutes from my front door at a fraction of prices quoted for syndicates on here. I know he has been looking for red/roe ground and the price reflects what areas over this side are going for. Ask Widows son about tilhill and the 155 acres in fife. and LB's comments. £10 an acre and no red few roe,

Jim an exception does not make a rule, if you read my post you will see I have a block near Kinross about 500 acres, £135 per gun roe and red on the land.

So what stalking do you have, who from and how much are you paying, more than £11 per acre? I have posted what I pay and my cull numbers what are yours?

ATB

Tahr

 

[Cut+Squirt]

Lot of money for a very small plot.

 

[rudy65]

My worry is if people pay those types of prices then there is only one way for other leases to go and that is up and up and up. £10 plus an acre for forestry ground that will only have a bout 50 - 80 acres with sun light on it has got to be wrong. Please remember that at this moment lev 1 will get you on this ground but it is in Scotland and will have the new legislation placed on it in the near future. You will need to reach the new competences.

 

[Cut+Squirt]

My worry is if people pay those types of prices then there is only one way for other leases to go and that is up and up and up. £10 plus an acre for forestry ground that will only have a bout 50 - 80 acres with sun light on it has got to be wrong. Please remember that at this moment lev 1 will get you on this ground but it is in Scotland and will have the new legislation placed on it in the near future. You will need to reach the new competences.

Hi Rudy65 - I notice you mention 'new legislation' what legislation are you refering to?

Regards,

CADEX

 

[Gazza]

Cadex, Here you go

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Register of persons competent to shoot deer​

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Register of persons competent to shoot deer

17A. — (1) The Scottish Ministers may by regulations— (a) make provision for the establishment and operation of a register of persons competent to shoot deer in Scotland; (b) prohibit any person from shooting deer unless the person is— (i) registered; or (ii) supervised by a registered person; (c) provide that being a registered person is sufficient to meet the requirements as to fitness and competence under section 26(2)(d) and 37(1); (d) require registered persons or owners or occupiers of land to submit cull returns to SNH. (2) Regulations under subsection (1) above— (a) may make such supplementary, incidental or consequential provision as the Scottish Ministers think fit and may, in particular, make provision (or allow SNH to make provision) in relation to— (i) who is to keep and maintain the register; (ii) applications for registration (or for amendment of, or removal from, the register); (iii) the determination of applications for registration (including the criteria to be used to determine whether a person is competent to shoot deer); (iv) the imposition of conditions on the granting of an application (including conditions about compliance with any requirement for a registered person to submit a cull return); (v) the amendment of the register; (vi) the removal of a person from the register (including by revocation of registration); (vii) the charging of fees in connection with registration; (viii) appeals against decisions to— (A) refuse to register a person; (B) impose conditions on the granting of an application; (C) remove a person from the register; (ix) circumstances in which a person shooting deer is to be regarded as being, or not being, supervised by a registered person; (x) the information to be included in cull returns; (xi) the periods in respect of, and within, which cull returns are to be submitted; (xii) the form and manner in which cull returns are to be submitted; (xiii) the repeal of section 40; and (xiv) consequential modification of any of sections 5, 16, 18, 26 or 37 of, or Schedule 3 to, this Act; and (b) may make different provision for different purposes. (2A) Before making regulations under subsection (1) above, the Scottish Ministers (or a person nominated by them) must consult such persons and organisations as they consider (or, as the case may be, the nominated person considers) have an interest in the regulations. (3) Any person who shoots a deer on any land in contravention of regulations made under subsection (1)(b) above is guilty of an offence. (4) Subsection (3) above does not apply where a person shoots a deer for the purpose mentioned in section 25 of this Act. (5) Any person who— (a) fails without reasonable cause to submit a cull return in accordance with regulations made under subsection (1)(d) above; or (b) knowingly or recklessly provides any information in a cull return so submitted which is, in a material particular, false or misleading, is guilty of an offence. (6) In this section, “cull return”— (a) when required to be submitted by a registered person, means a written statement showing the number of deer of each species and of each sex which to his knowledge has been killed; and (b) when required to be submitted by an owner or occupier of land, means a written statement showing the number of deer of each species and of each sex which to his knowledge has been taken or killed on the land. Review of competence etc. by SNH 17B. — (1) SNH must carry out a review of the following matters if the power in section 17A(1) is not exercised by 1st April 2014— (a) levels of competence among persons who shoot deer in Scotland; (b) the effect of such levels of competence on deer welfare. (2) In any such review, the matters SNH must consider include— (a) the extent to which such persons have been trained to shoot deer and the availability and nature of such training; (b) any available evidence as regards any effect of the absence of such training, or the nature of such training, on the welfare of deer which have been shot. (3) If SNH carries out a review, it must— (a) when doing so consult such persons and organisations as it considers have an interest in the review; and (b) publish a report of the review.

 

[Gazza]

Forgot to say this is part of the W&NE Bill. As far as I am aware nobody as yet has put specifics on what the level of competency to register will be but I did hear talk of a level somewhere between level 1 & 2 consisting of level 1 plus one AW stalk. I can hear cash tills running.

 

[Cut+Squirt]

Thanks for that Gazza........

 

[DazT]

Any idea when all this is coming in??

 

[atom]

thar the ground is twice the price and half size after 30 years of stalking in scotland anything under 1000 acres is not worth the travell time or cost i could just about keep my self busy on a thousand acres alone i was offered this ground last month and told the guy he was having a laugh and as you know i am a plumber so i can afford it cheers the atom

 

[SDM]

ATOM Thats only because you run round the ground as quick as u can so you cover more ground get more DEER seems to work cant get my head round it Good luck tomorrow maty save that CWD buck for me

 

[SDM]

Sorry Thar could not help having a dig at atom everybody is entitled to there veiws and if people are prepared to pay then let them good luck with the ground

 

[atom]

run thats onething i stuggle with i have had to stop bending 6 inch nails over my todger has it has started hurting my wrists getting old is a bad thing c u after new year jt cheers the atom