Rifle firing when moving safety catch.

[Ronin]

This is a JEWELL trigger; otherwise known as the Rolls Royce of sear slipping devices. As distinct from a peice of Remington trigger malarkey junk.

K

They once were

They are not the top of the tree any longer

Many better units out there and they (Jewel) can suffer from issues with dirt ingress and breakages of dear componants over time

 

[HonestJohn]

They once were

They are not the top of the tree any longer

Many better units out there and they (Jewel) can suffer from issues with dirt ingress and breakages of dear componants over time

My understanding and view has always been they’re for target rifles, not hunting rifles

 

[Ronin]

My understanding and view has always been they’re for target rifles, not hunting rifles

Personally wouldn’t use a jewel for anything that’s likely to get dirt ingress or dust

They’re brilliant for target orientated work

Superseded now by tech advancements , but still have their place

 

[Klenchblaize]

Unfortunately the above information had escaped me until today. Had I been aware of such negative in-the-field experience of said unit I would have instructed PRS (Callum Ferguson) in the install something of greatly improved longevity and less susceptibility to the elements. The question is will he or indeed the manufacturer be interested in my concern some 22-years down the line?

K

 

[Rural Management Services]

Afternoon all,
I have a 6x47 custom build built on a Remington action with a Jewell trigger. Had the rifle 12 years no issues, until recently it occasionally fires when pushing the safety catch off. Looked at the trigger and seems clean, cant see any obvious problems. Anyone has the problem before? Any ideas for fixes?
Thanks,
Tom

Sound exciting or really f*cking dangerous

 

[bullet chucker]

My Remington 700 was listed as having the dodgy trigger group when new. I bought a Timney replacement and fitted it my self, no big deal peace of mind and so far no issues. None with the original either as it happens?

BC.

 

[rem284]

I had a tikka the fired if you tried to put the safety on. The single screw that holds the trigger on had came lose.

Also had a remington factory trigger doing silly things.

A 202 as well. It would make you believe it had misfired. Soon as you touched the bolt, off she went.

So, always follow safety procedures

 

[Ronin]

Unfortunately the above information had escaped me until today. Had I been aware of such negative in-the-field experience of said unit I would have instructed PRS (Callum Ferguson) in the install something of greatly improved longevity and less susceptibility to the elements. The question is will he or indeed the manufacturer be interested in my concern some 22-years down the line?
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K

Clearly well looked after - don’t take umbrage to facts

Jewels were excellent trigger units

But ,,,

Have seen several units over the 20 plus years I have conducted rifle work that have failed due to broken sear componants or rusted internal spring due to water ingress

Also seen dust failiure of two units during matches in dusty conditions whilst in comps in the USA

So they are not infallible despite magic pixie status

 

[Ronin]

On a secondary note - Jewel ceased production in 2024 so parts if required can be problematic

 

[John Gryphon]

Has any maintainence been carried out on the weapon

At best if you continue using the weapon

personally I would have removed the weapon

Most certainly not an attack on you personally Ronin but the use of the word 'weapon' We in the hunting- shooting fraternity use 'firearms' . Weapon is a word used by media and often as a means of sinister connotation....anti this and anti that...those media.

 

[Ronin]

Most certainly not an attack on you personally Ronin but the use of the word 'weapon' We in the hunting- shooting fraternity use 'firearms' . Weapon is a word used by media and often as a means of sinister connotation....anti this and anti that...those media.

 

[John Gryphon]

That smells,you run outa bog roll?

 

[Ronin]

That smells,you run outa bog roll?

It’s a monkey covering its face

Not what you think (I think)

 

[John Gryphon]

It’s a monkey covering its face

Not what you think (I think)

ha ha ha at first look i thought it was a caricature of someone flashing a brown eye....i just checked and can see the chimp now.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Hmmm. Have had two Remmys for many years - .222 and .308. The triple has had tens of thousands through it without mishap and the .308 quite a few too but not in those numbers.
Then last nite I had an odd one with my Steyr Mannlicher - squeezed set trigger - click, set it again - click - two more times then lifted and closed the bolt and it went off! Just spent an hour trying to replicate this with the help of the videoed incident but still can’t figure it out.
Of course it had to be on my first ever Sika - fortunately the shot went 20 feet high so no animals were harmed in the making of that video.
Funny things triggers…..

 

[weblyish]

Utterly terrifying -
I know we all always make sure the rifle is pointing safe, of course, but are you really, really,100% ready every single time you flip the safety?

 

[Smellydog]

Hmmm. Have had two Remmys for many years - .222 and .308. The triple has had tens of thousands through it without mishap and the .308 quite a few too but not in those numbers.
Then last nite I had an odd one with my Steyr Mannlicher - squeezed set trigger - click, set it again - click - two more times then lifted and closed the bolt and it went off! Just spent an hour trying to replicate this with the help of the videoed incident but still can’t figure it out.
Of course it had to be on my first ever Sika - fortunately the shot went 20 feet high so no animals were harmed in the making of that video.
Funny things triggers…..

How's the cottage 2 mile away FB?

 

[Smellydog]

It is possible to lessen sear engagement on many triggers.
Some triggers are fine with just a lighter spring.
Some need some stone work.
It's when a stoned, adjusted and lightened sear spring are all brought together that issues can arise.

If I have a mechanism that needs stoning I often keep standard springing.
If I don't need to stone any sears I'll experiment with springs if the adjuster won't give me the range of adjustment etc.

If the sear engagement is adjustable you can not rely on that alone to acquire a light trigger.

The last X mark I did took a solid 6 hours.
Got it to 1.75lbs on full sear and factory springs.

 

[hw101]

I regard safety catches as potentially untrustworthy so I never carry my rifle with a round in the chamber. I only chamber a round when I’m pointing it at something I want to kill. If I lose a few deer because of the delay / noise good luck to them.

 

[TringSaint]

And this is why I love the de-cocking safety on my Steyr and the 3 stage safety on the bolt of my winny.
Both physically disable the firing pin rather than stop it from operating.