Rifle magazines prohibited objects?

[HonestJohn]

They don’t know what they’re talking about, simple as that.

 

[cooksey]

Hahah ! If you think a surrendered firearm would/could be sold back into the market then you’re very unaware when it comes to Police paperwork.
The only way that a dishonest officer could do so (yes, there’s some about but he thankfully not many) would’ve been to hand the owner no receipt or paperwork to show it’d been handed in. And what about the owners FAC which must show it as surrendered ? Otherwise he’d have to account for it…
Then the officer could sell it on - oh, hold the phone, he’d have to have a current FAC with that weapon on it wouldn’t he ?

Stop the conspiracy theories..

Have you never seen the ones in the auctions with the police evidence stickers on? Or that one of the police forces sell stuff via eBay regularly?

 

[VSS]

A detective stealing 400k of cocaine reminded me of when a chap working on the same site as me was raided for growing cannabis. He was well known in the local town for growing a few plants for "home consumption" he knew the rules as well, so to speak, grow in soil, and never more than three plants, and you should get away with it if you have your collar felt...
He grew one plant in his polytunnel one summer.. in his words, "it grew like a trifid".. plod rolled up, sat outside his house for 15 minutes looking at the polytunnel, eventually knocked on his door and did the necessary.. they told him if he had hung a few red ping pong balls on the plant they would have just driven away thinking it was tomatoe plants... he swears to this day that the police were stipping the buds off the plant as they stuffed it into bags... true or not, it's a funny story...

That’s a nice touch, the bit about the ping-pong balls. I like that.

 

[Dalua]

With questions such as what constitutes a controlled or prohibited part it’s always looking at the primary legislation and / or the home office guidance (to which there is a sticky at the head of this section).

If you have a look at the latter is describes

“Definition of ‘relevant component part’​

2.5 A ‘relevant component part’ of a lethal barrelled or prohibited weapon is a firearm in its own right and is defined in section 57(1D) of the 1968 Act as:

• a) a barrel, chamber or cylinder,
• b) a frame, body or receiver,
• c) a breech block, bolt or other mechanism for containing the pressure of discharge at the rear of a chamber,

but only where the item is capable of being used as a part of a lethal barrelled weapon or a prohibited weapon.”

Magazines will be a contentious issue. They hold the cartridges and allow the gun to function as a repeating firearm. Most bolt action guns work just fine without a magazine, but are quite fiddly to load just one cartridge. A magazine dramatically improves the functionality of a firearm. But is it a relevant component part. Probably not by the above legal definition. Some firearms, notably many pistol designs will not function with a magazine in place. In such a case is it a “relevant component part” - probably comes down to argument and judgement.

I wonder whether they will really be contentious?
A rifle is not S1 because it is repeating, but because it shoots. The question, therefore would be whether the lethal barrelled weapon can be loaded and fired without the magazine: and if the answer it 'yes', then the magazine is clearly off the hook - I'd have thought, at least.
Additionally, a magazine doesn't feature in the list above - and it would have been easy for them to pop them on if if they'd wanted.

 

[8x57]

It has happened in the past.

David.

Unfortunately you are correct. There was a case close to me many years ago where a really good police sergeant persuaded a local guy to surrender his rifle "voluntarily" only for the guy to come back some time later, and following legal advise, to retrieve his rifle.
Sight elements were found to be missing and these were later found to be in the sergeant's possession. Disciplinary action followed and a good career and an otherwise very good officer lost.

Allegedly way back in the 70s it was also not unknown for firearms to be handed in to our local police station only for them to appear in the display cabinet of the local gunshop a couple of hours later. That RFD was on very good terms with the police and allowed them the use of his privately owned 50 yard outdoor range one afternoon every week.
I personally know that the RFD could be a bit of a rouge because he sold a couple of friends ex service guns that only borer military proof marks. All well and good until my friends tried to trade in the guns some years down the line and it was then discovered that they had never been through civilian proof. All in the distant past now as all concerned are long gone.

 

[tackb]

 

[Smellydog]

Some of us remember the sharp rise in handgun crime after the handgun ban and some of us know not all of them handed in were destroyed!!

 

[tackb]

Some of us remember the sharp rise in handgun crime after the handgun ban and some of us know not all of them handed in were destroyed!!

funny you should mention that , i still check serial numbers whenever i see a wobbly 455 for sale at holts or anything , just in case mine wasn't destroyed......

 

[finbar]

On the original post surrendered Annie 1416 i have said Annie .
Last year out of boredom decided to give her a good clean
Took bolt apart something dropped on table
Small piece of the bolt where the two bolts join looked like a finger nail clipper ….. rifle still works fine but niggling feeling like a need to replace bolt at some point in future…
So the question is can I buy a bolt of someone who is scrapping said rifle or do a variation then scrap rifle

 

[JTO]

one of the plods wants to sell it on !

Or have it himself!

 

[nic531]

it does make me laugh, everyone expects the FEO after a few days training (if their course does any training) to know every single part of all of the legislation regarding firearms and how they all work, what parts go with which guns and where they fall within criteria which can often change.... I bet even the mechanics about this site would occasionally have to look up the details on a car they had to service!
and when it comes to illegal actions, examples from 60 years ago come up!!!!!! obviously none newer or relevant abound then

 

[JTO]

Strange he’s requested magazine….I’d think he wants the mag or some of his mates needs one ,

Very believable.

 

[enfieldspares]

Have you never seen the ones in the auctions with the police evidence stickers on? Or that one of the police forces sell stuff via eBay regularly?

Yes. At auction. With the police sticker. Correct. Not often but it does happen.

 

[JH83]

The policeman wants it because they want to move on the rifle.

As has been said, it’s not a pressure bearing part, no restrictions at all

How exactly, would they do that? Why would they risk their pension for a gun that is literally worth nothing? Ridiculous. Shakey…is this a second account?

Sounds like they are unsure of the legalities on magazines. That it, no more, no less. Cops are not fully conversant with every detail of every bit of legislation, so have erred on the side of caution.

 

[rocketdogbert]

How exactly, would they do that? Why would they risk their pension for a gun that is literally worth nothing? Ridiculous. Shakey…is this a second account?

Sounds like they are unsure of the legalities on magazines. That it, no more, no less. Cops are not fully conversant with every detail of every bit of legislation, so have erred on the side of caution.

It was a tongue in cheek joke. Virtually impossible and fairly improbable they’d try. Jeez

 

[Robinson]

But why is the Anschutz 1416 on any no no list? As far as I can see it's a boring , no fancy/exotic bolt action 22.

 

[shakey jake]

How exactly, would they do that? Why would they risk their pension for a gun that is literally worth nothing? Ridiculous. Shakey…is this a second account?

Sounds like they are unsure of the legalities on magazines. That it, no more, no less. Cops are not fully conversant with every detail of every bit of legislation, so have erred on the side of caution.

No not me, i would assume dodgy copper just rape and murder not go rabbit shooting

 

[simgre]

No not me, i would assume dodgy copper just rape and murder not go rabbit shooting

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[Jamsie]

I disposed of an Anschutz .22 that had a bulged barrel at our local police station recently. I removed the stock, sights and trigger group beforehand. No problem at the station and I have a receipt indicating surrender of said firearm with make, model and serial number clearly identified. Very easy process.

Jamsie