Rifle Not Grouping

Try shooting groups slowly, making sure barrel is cool between shots. Make sure you are well supported, firmly gripping the rifle, and use you front firmly gripping the forend and squeezing the rifle in tight as you squeeze the trigger. Lightweight rifles can be tricky to shoot - they don't have the barrel weight to control the recoil - you need to do that. If the butt plate slips can easily send a shot high. Also light barrels warm up quickly, which again puts shots off.
 
U/S . a term widely used in the military and U/S equipment is usually marked as such before being returned to stores, U/S..... UNSERVICEABLE.

Sounds like an unserviceable scope to me also. Eliminate the scope first, beg borrow or steal one, shoot a group with the same ammunition. If that does not cure the problem then it is most likely the barrel but everything needs to checked.

Mike.
 
Just another quick thought. My mate bought a new cz hmr last year and it shot like a 12 bore, turned out the crown was off, worth a check.
 
Ahh, good old pressure point bedding. They work if the pressure is right but with wear over time it can be reduced and harmonic inconsistencies can occur so there's suddenly a new peak on the standing wave as the rifle system vibrates under firing, inconsistencies end of barrel can easily cause a bit of flip flop action and vertical stringing.

very often when a rifle starts to open up a bit, not realising it's copper fouling or crown wear, the owner blames the pressure point and has a go at it with sandpaper. Realising groups get worse he stops,, now not being here nor there, the rifle is sold. I have brought rifles back from the grave numerous times with simply proper removal of the old pressure point and subsequent glass bedding if the front recoil lug and 2/3rds of the barrels parallel section. In one instance with an old mauser I had groups go from around 2-3 feet!!!!! To cloverleafing instantly by following this simple 20 min procedure
 
Am I right in thinking bedding would be much better done by a gunsmith than by a complete amateur with a youtube guide (ie me)?
- I would only look into this after checking scope and getting a more experienced shooter to have a look at it.
Ryan
 
If it came with the mod on tight I'd check the crown too - if the previous owner didn't remove the mod and stored it upright after shooting there's a good chance that there's crown damage
 
U/S =useless,:thumb:ps muir is a wizard that drifts around s/d on a ephereal cloud, hes also a geni:Dus,

Muir - no pressure then:-D

What happened to Brithunter? A post like this usually brings him out with his encyclopaedic knowledge of all thinks Parker Hale.
 
One of those Kevin would have been really useful.


David.

Yes, nothing like the old Brithunter rage at what I recall him always calling the 'free floating mantra'...see it again on here and you know he's back! LOL. Truth is, BH loved his PH and Midlands, etc. in their original formats, and original sort of chap. He was perfectly pleased with groupings allowed by those rifles and although perhaps not cloverleafing, good enough for hunting, and more important to him was the originality of the rifle...such was/is he.

Now, back to the subject matter at hand. Keeping rifles in their original format is fine, and classic, and all that; however, wood wears and moves with time, be it the action inletting, the stock forend, or wear in the front pressure point. Also, some people do a halfass job with changing the front tip pressure bedding and it's usually best leaving as is and when accuracy deteriorates BECAUSE of that pressure point, then removing completely or restoring it by building it oversize and then finely reducing it until the best accuracy is obtained, but it may well be the best accuracy is indeed from free floating of course.
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Yes, Kevin would have been useful, in giving us all a good telling off for even considering messing with 'what god intended', along with of course, numerous stories of how the 'system' is one big conspiracy, the police are out to get us, tales of the diminishing motor industry in the uk, and that it's tough getting even time to go stalking due to mothers illness

now if I get murdered any time soon, you'll know who did it as he's obviously still walking the SD under a new ID:scared:
 
where abouts are you in yorkshire, i have a parker hale so i could swap out your bases and rings and try another scope and just generally go through it with you,atb wayne
 
I think he may have been banned for something or other?

I thought bans on here were temporary affairs. Did he do something really bad? He was good value. Could he be brought back?

Yes, account suspended - but for how long?
 
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Muir - no pressure then:-D

What happened to Brithunter? A post like this usually brings him out with his encyclopaedic knowledge of all thinks Parker Hale.

Yeah.
I'm not touching that one.

Besides, there's not much I, or anyone on the site, can do without having gun in hand. All good advice given. I'd pull the mod and shoot it. If that didn't help, and there was nothing obviously wrong I could see, I'd get someone else to shoot it. I was once given a .45 pistol to evaluate that the owner said shot peach basket-sized groups. I shot my first 5 rounds into the "X" ring... ~Muir
 
Thanks to everyone for all the help and advise, as it turned out many of you called just right - the moderator.

Took it off and got four shots under one inch (actually two groups of two rounds practically through the same hole) at 50 yards, and accounting for user error and a less than ideal rest I am more than happy that the rifle shoots fine.
Replacing the moderator after this, the next three shots (every shot fired barrel was left to cool first) were a triangle each around two inches from any other.
I now plan to strip and clean the moderator in the hope that it is just filthy and doesn't need replacing!
Extra thanks to the great folks who offered to have a look at it for me, thank you.
Ryan
 
Don't know what the inside of your mod is like, but the P-H mod I have on my .22 had a couple of the baffles back to front, thanks to whoever stripped it down and reassembled it before me. This really messed up any chance of getting a decent group. Then I took it apart and managed to get even more of the baffles wrong :doh: and couldn't hit a thing!
Got it right in the end, and single hole groups now.
 
Did I read it correctly that the bolt handle fouls the scope and that the scope was fitted by a gunshop?

From what you've described as your success at 50m I have to say that I wouldn't count your chickens yet that all is well. I would want to see some consistent five shot groups at 100m before getting too excited.

If you're not 110% happy with this setup before your planned stalk then I would use an estate rifle just for peace of mind.
 
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