Rifle suggestions please - specifically double stack detachable magazine

[the_greenman]

You can’t top load the CTR magazine.

I suspect the dented necks are from impacting on the scope. Some mounting options and scopes cause the cases to bounce back into the ejection port. This is the issue people refer to.

As for the necks, the dent will easily be punched out when running through the dies.

I missed the top loading requirement

 

[Heym SR20]

These might be worth a look. All steel, double stack magazine that can be detached with one hand and also loaded from the top.

Weapons - Steel Action

steel-action.de

 

[Border]

I have no idea what people have against the 85. The magazine catch issue of 75 was dealt with as the 85’s magazine has to be lightly pressed in before the latch can be released.

The ejection issues of the 85 are recorded as being long action calibre.

I’m an 85 owner with aftermarket barrel fitted my @Ronin in 6mm creedmoor. It’s a cracking rifle.

Touch wood, I haven't lost a 75 magazine yet. The extra mag safe on the 85 is at least an improvement.

 

[angusb1]

Touch wood, I haven't lost a 75 magazine yet. The extra mag safe on the 85 is at least an improvement.

I misplaced one once. Looked really hard for it as a replacement is £100 and luckily found it.

 

[Heym SR20]

I misplaced one once. Looked really hard for it as a replacement is £100 and luckily found it.

I must admit I don’t get the need for detachable magazines. It is easy enough to load through the top, and simple enough to either open the floorplate or unload through the top as required. If you are crossing a fence etc just open the bolt, push round back into magazine, cross with bolt open. I tend to carry my rifle underloaded - ie rounds in the magazine, chamber empty and only put one in the chamber when I expecting to be taking a shot.

If you a getting in and out of vehicles just load a single or a couple of rounds, quicker to unload and how often do you really need three shots.

My experience of detachable magazines are

1) they get left behind
2) they fall out when they feel like doing so, usually into a bog
3) they usually fall out and don’t let you know they have fallen until you try and load as a monster buck has appeared.

To load you have press a button and take out magazine. Put rifle down or on your shoulder or try and hold in crook of your arm, all the trying not drop the magazine. Then with cold wet snowy fingers, fish around in your pocket for some rounds, push these in against a small slippery magazine’s spring pressure, then reinsert into the rifle making sure than the retaining catch clicks into place.

Whereas with a good fixed magazine. Open bolt, hold rifle with forehand, push new cartridges down into magazine. Close bolt. If you don’t want to load chamber, keep top round depressed with off hand fingers as you ride bolt over. Simples.

 

[JH83]

I must admit I don’t get the need for detachable magazines. It is easy enough to load through the top, and simple enough to either open the floorplate or unload through the top as required. If you are crossing a fence etc just open the bolt, push round back into magazine, cross with bolt open. I tend to carry my rifle underloaded - ie rounds in the magazine, chamber empty and only put one in the chamber when I expecting to be taking a shot.

If you a getting in and out of vehicles just load a single or a couple of rounds, quicker to unload and how often do you really need three shots.

My experience of detachable magazines are

1) they get left behind
2) they fall out when they feel like doing so, usually into a bog
3) they usually fall out and don’t let you know they have fallen until you try and load as a monster buck has appeared.

To load you have press a button and take out magazine. Put rifle down or on your shoulder or try and hold in crook of your arm, all the trying not drop the magazine. Then with cold wet snowy fingers, fish around in your pocket for some rounds, push these in against a small slippery magazine’s spring pressure, then reinsert into the rifle making sure than the retaining catch clicks into place.

Whereas with a good fixed magazine. Open bolt, hold rifle with forehand, push new cartridges down into magazine. Close bolt. If you don’t want to load chamber, keep top round depressed with off hand fingers as you ride bolt over. Simples.

I agree.

I have a 75 and a 591 (hinged floor plate) as main stalking rifles, never seen the advantage of a drop box on a pure hunting set up. The key is being able to top load, I have a wee stick on 2 shot round holder on the side so have 7 rounds available, quickly. That’s enough for 99% of culling imo, with further ammo in the AIM cheek bag.

That said I’ve never dropped a mag on a 75, and had one in the cabinet since 2006. I have left one behind though.

 

[Cranborne]

I've used my Tikka T3X culling hinds a few times. I carry a spare pre-loaded magazine and have never had a problem switching mags when I've got into a large group. It's quick to do, and the mags are readily available and comparatively cheap (compared to Sako 75 and 85's).

 

[WalkedUp]

I have a top loader and rifles with detachable magazines. I cannot state just how much I prefer the magazines especially for use in the dark, climbing fences. Getting on and off the quad etc.

 

[Heym SR20]

I agree.

I have a 75 and a 591 (hinged floor plate) as main stalking rifles, never seen the advantage of a drop box on a pure hunting set up. The key is being able to top load, I have a wee stick on 2 shot round holder on the side so have 7 rounds available, quickly. That’s enough for 99% of culling imo, with further ammo in the AIM cheek bag.

That said I’ve never dropped a mag on a 75, and had one in the cabinet since 2006. I have left one behind though.

That feeling of elation when you have 7 down on the ground. What a stalking god etc etc.

Only to then realise that its at least a kilometre drag across a bog that is far too wet and steep to get an argo or quad bike. Just to add to insult the wind has dropped so midges are coming out got one last feed before winter, and that angry cold front will be dumping sleet on you in an hour or two, by which time it will be dark.

You do have plenty of time as you drag those beasties to ponder best to them two at a time the whole way down, or to move them all 200 metres at time.

And as you go its amazing how one or two at least will condemn as too poor for the dealer and will be left on the hill for the eagles.

As for mag / non mag, it really depends on your preferences, circumstances and what you started with.

 

[angusb1]

To load you have press a button and take out magazine. Put rifle down or on your shoulder or try and hold in crook of your arm, all the trying not drop the magazine. Then with cold wet snowy fingers, fish around in your pocket for some rounds, push these in against a small slippery magazine’s spring pressure, then reinsert into the rifle making sure than the retaining catch clicks into place.

I top load the detachable mag in my 75 no problem. You don't have to take it out. If I shoot a beast, once I am ready to move on, I top up the mag and on to the next one. I take it out of the rifle if I am not going to be shooting for a longer period. If crossing an obstacle or climbing into or out of a high seat I push the loaded round down in the mag and close the bolt over the top of it on an empty chamber. It's not a massive difference over how I would use a floorplate mag and it isn't the reason I bought the rifle. I think the 75 is a great all round rifle and fits me well. It is well made, reliable, has a great trigger and a capacity of 5 rounds in .270, and I paid £600 for it which makes it great value. I also shoot a Rem700 with a floor plate which is great too. There isn't only one right option in this case I think.

 

[Cranborne]

@Heym SR20. Yes, I've been in that situation....pulling the trigger is the easiest bit.

 

[JH83]

That feeling of elation when you have 7 down on the ground. What a stalking god etc etc.

Only to then realise that its at least a kilometre drag across a bog that is far too wet and steep to get an argo or quad bike. Just to add to insult the wind has dropped so midges are coming out got one last feed before winter, and that angry cold front will be dumping sleet on you in an hour or two, by which time it will be dark.

You do have plenty of time as you drag those beasties to ponder best to them two at a time the whole way down, or to move them all 200 metres at time.

And as you go its amazing how one or two at least will condemn as too poor for the dealer and will be left on the hill for the eagles.

As for mag / non mag, it really depends on your preferences, circumstances and what you started with.

Did it this year, hinds and staggies.

Pulled the trigger at 7, got home at 5. Deep joy !

My chiropractor approves.

 

[Ronin]

These might be worth a look. All steel, double stack magazine that can be detached with one hand and also loaded from the top.

Weapons - Steel Action

steel-action.de

Straight pull with Cam bolt ,,,,?

 

[Heym SR20]

Straight pull with Cam bolt ,,,,?

All I know is what’s on the website. The Garand, M14 and every AR10 and AR10 are all rotating bolts operated by cams, so to are Beretta BRX1. With a straight the shooter supplies the power rather than gas tubes or recoil.

 

[kingstonandy]

505 isn’t double stack mag I don’t think.

Since I started this post, I ended up buying a Sako 75 from Ed, managed to pick up a McMillan stock for it, and I’m just in the process of converting the detachable magazine to a floorplate as I’m not that keen on how easily the magazine detaches.

Pondering a Kroseg stock, but very happy with the McMillan for the time being.

I have a Kroseg and a McMillan on different rifles. The Kroseg looks nicer and is great to shoot but the lack of chequering is a problem for carrying and handling, the McMillan is pure function over form, like a Schmidt scope it just works.

 

[JosephKelly]

I've got a sako 85 and haven't noticed the ejected casing hitting the scope

Same, fired 100s of rounds through mine and not seen it happen once

 

[MarinePMI]

Tikka T3x Arctic

Problem solved. Top loading can be done singly, or throw in a second mag.

 

[njc110381]

505 isn’t double stack mag I don’t think.

Since I started this post, I ended up buying a Sako 75 from Ed, managed to pick up a McMillan stock for it, and I’m just in the process of converting the detachable magazine to a floorplate as I’m not that keen on how easily the magazine detaches.

Pondering a Kroseg stock, but very happy with the McMillan for the time being.

Good man, very sensible move!

 

[LeftHandGuy]

Funnily enough, it looks to me like a sporterized Lee Enfield would fit the bill quite nicely - albeit most of the synthetic aftermarket stocks would struggle I think to be fairly described as "good quality"....

 

[smokey]

Thanks for the replies so far guys.

Floorplate not necessarily an issue - I've got a rifle with one - but would be keen to try and find a detach mag if possible.

85's - I understand that these issues are universal, but it would be sods law the one I got had these problems. I think the ejecting issue is only with larger calibres.

Speaking to Ronin - I was discussing a T3 job with him, but having spent a few days stalking with a friend and trying his T3, the single stack mag element is the niggle I want to avoid.

i am curious what is the problem with a single stack magazine?