Roe Does - Wiltshire - November
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cervushunter
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yes i agree with 300 wsm totally also in my limited experiance it would probably be far better to charge a fixed price without add ons for doe /hind stalking apart from carcass fee if applicable. just my thoughts and i personally would look for and have taken up this kind of offer.
also personally i thought all replies were ok, i like to hear both sides wether they are from critics or fans. much worse appears in the nation press everday!!
bambislayer
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I've just joined the forum and have been reading through many of the threads, all I seem to hear is people moaning about the price of stalking.
I am lucky, I'm a full time stalker so I've never paid for stalking , however I do pay for other shooting.
£35 plus vat is the going rate for a pheasant so how can you justify moaning about £65 for a doe [that's the price of 2 pheasants]
I've people moaning at me for charging £130 a day for hind stalking and thats with a stalker and a ghillie plus argo shooting normally 2 hinds a day!!!
Come on guys , look at the price of a pack of cigarettes, we under value our deer stalking!
I am lucky, I'm a full time stalker so I've never paid for stalking , however I do pay for other shooting.
£35 plus vat is the going rate for a pheasant so how can you justify moaning about £65 for a doe [that's the price of 2 pheasants]
I've people moaning at me for charging £130 a day for hind stalking and thats with a stalker and a ghillie plus argo shooting normally 2 hinds a day!!!
Come on guys , look at the price of a pack of cigarettes, we under value our deer stalking!
MarkH
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Right Chaps
I have inland revenue breathing down my neck that I cannot claim deer management on my land is a business if it creates no viable income. By the time I have taken the guest out, repaired the high seats, cleared the rides chopped the wood, processed the carcass etc etc I need a reasonable income to make the book balance. Not everyone has an out of control deer population so venison revenues will not balance the books alone.
One also needs to look at the quality of the experience for the guest, is he just there to pull the trigger or develop a true hunting experience.
One should not look so sharply just a cost but at value and quality.
I think the pheasant shoot costings makes a good analogy.
Mark
I have inland revenue breathing down my neck that I cannot claim deer management on my land is a business if it creates no viable income. By the time I have taken the guest out, repaired the high seats, cleared the rides chopped the wood, processed the carcass etc etc I need a reasonable income to make the book balance. Not everyone has an out of control deer population so venison revenues will not balance the books alone.
One also needs to look at the quality of the experience for the guest, is he just there to pull the trigger or develop a true hunting experience.
One should not look so sharply just a cost but at value and quality.
I think the pheasant shoot costings makes a good analogy.
Mark
bambislayer
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Mark H is rite , not every where has an out of control deer population.
I personally will not let anyone shoot a beast on my ground without me being beside them, as I pick everyone. Deer management is not just about numbers it's about selection, I would not wont to shoot more than 2 or 3 beasts a day as it takes time to extract the beasts and I don't want the deer chased all over the hill or overly chased by people who are only out to "shoot" deer.
Obviously not ever piece of ground has a full time stalker and in Scotland we have a bit of an ideal.
I personally will not let anyone shoot a beast on my ground without me being beside them, as I pick everyone. Deer management is not just about numbers it's about selection, I would not wont to shoot more than 2 or 3 beasts a day as it takes time to extract the beasts and I don't want the deer chased all over the hill or overly chased by people who are only out to "shoot" deer.
Obviously not ever piece of ground has a full time stalker and in Scotland we have a bit of an ideal.
Gazza
Well-Known Member
As far as I am concerned a company like the Hunting Agency advertises an offer on here you either take it or leave it - end off.
My real concern is that in my position I along with two other stalkers have a lease over 2000 acres for which we pay a reasonable sum BUT with the number of companies who seek out stalking leases to let out at the prices quoted here how long before somebody offers well in excess of what I and my colleagues could pay.
I recently heard of one such company who has 30,000 acres of available stalking for let to clients. To obtain this how many local stalkers lost their stalking to big money.
My real concern is that in my position I along with two other stalkers have a lease over 2000 acres for which we pay a reasonable sum BUT with the number of companies who seek out stalking leases to let out at the prices quoted here how long before somebody offers well in excess of what I and my colleagues could pay.
I recently heard of one such company who has 30,000 acres of available stalking for let to clients. To obtain this how many local stalkers lost their stalking to big money.
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Davie
Guest
Thar you are way off i can get a trades person here for £5 per hour he is polish and pleasant .But lets keep this real a tradesman is four years learning his trade most deerstalkers are ten minutes learning theres.
To pay for stalking is obviously a means to an end for some and most of the new lads will need to pay. All i can say is i hope they look before they leap because while there are a lot of good blokes out there .There are also some real creeps waiting to charge you for having a **** while your out. I cant see anything wrong with a price as long as its all out in the open.
To pay for stalking is obviously a means to an end for some and most of the new lads will need to pay. All i can say is i hope they look before they leap because while there are a lot of good blokes out there .There are also some real creeps waiting to charge you for having a **** while your out. I cant see anything wrong with a price as long as its all out in the open.
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Davie
Guest
Mark i didn't know that was minimum wage and i don't think it applies to me as i only payed him what he asked for. in fact you can go to BQ up here and there will be ten polish chaps waiting to see what you got in your cart and offer to do the job for cheap. The fact that we are on about stalking and most times it is a income that is attached to other incomes the amount that is given cant be lined up with trades men.
Transparency is what is needed.
eg .£50 a stalk or lets say £100 per day no other fees except your expenses that way every one knows what they pay .
Also trophy fees they should be dropped altogether if the beast is in the cull plan it should be shot as a cull beast if it is special then it should be left.
Transparency is what is needed.
eg .£50 a stalk or lets say £100 per day no other fees except your expenses that way every one knows what they pay .
Also trophy fees they should be dropped altogether if the beast is in the cull plan it should be shot as a cull beast if it is special then it should be left.
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Hillbilly
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I am new to this. I have no land and don't want to sit in a seat and pull a trigger. For me its the whole experience, beginning to end. How am I to get this if I don't pay for it. answer. I won't. Roo has put me in touch with a friend of his who has agreed to take me out in Feb. Fact is for what I am paying him he could spend the morning culling or with a trophy hunter and earn far more. I am grateful too him for recognising someone who wants to get into this in a big way and for his offer of help.
By the way I'm new so hello everyone!
FTO
By the way I'm new so hello everyone!
FTO
Paying for stalking
Hi guys
Im new to stalking too - in fact ive only just got my FAC and will be completing my DSC1 in April (ive shot driven, rough, walked up game for a while though).
The main reasons ive begun this sport are (in no particular order)
1) for the time outdoors with nature
2) for the venison
3) the chance to spend time with like minded people
Pulling the trigger takes a second - stalking means far more than that to me, its definately not a numbers game - as I generally shoot just what im going to eat (predator control aside).
Im not well off by any standards, so price really is an issue for me.
The probem I have - is that with so many contradictory posts about costs, my head is spinning!
Is there anyway the experienced guys on the forum could agree an average reasonable cost for a days stalking, non trophy - including keeping the carcass?
Daemon
Hi guys
Im new to stalking too - in fact ive only just got my FAC and will be completing my DSC1 in April (ive shot driven, rough, walked up game for a while though).
The main reasons ive begun this sport are (in no particular order)
1) for the time outdoors with nature
2) for the venison
3) the chance to spend time with like minded people
Pulling the trigger takes a second - stalking means far more than that to me, its definately not a numbers game - as I generally shoot just what im going to eat (predator control aside).
Im not well off by any standards, so price really is an issue for me.
The probem I have - is that with so many contradictory posts about costs, my head is spinning!
Is there anyway the experienced guys on the forum could agree an average reasonable cost for a days stalking, non trophy - including keeping the carcass?
Daemon
sikamalc
Administrator
As a rule of thumb its about £40 to £60 an outing for Fallow, Sika, Roe, Muntjac and Chinese Water Deer.
For Red Stags in Scotland its a trophy fee of between £300 and £450 for a days stalking and the stag.
For Red Hinds its about £150 a day and this includes up to two or three hinds in a day. Or sometimes nothing
Trophy fees vary a great deal, and are usually on top of the daily outing rate, and some stalkers ask for a tip on top.
Also much depends on how many days you want to take, if you want accommodation etc etc. Whatever you do make sure you get it on paper, dont take their word for it over the phone.
On the other hand, if you get to know one or two folk on this site you will probably get an invite or two once you have established yourself.
All the best
For Red Stags in Scotland its a trophy fee of between £300 and £450 for a days stalking and the stag.
For Red Hinds its about £150 a day and this includes up to two or three hinds in a day. Or sometimes nothing
Trophy fees vary a great deal, and are usually on top of the daily outing rate, and some stalkers ask for a tip on top.
Also much depends on how many days you want to take, if you want accommodation etc etc. Whatever you do make sure you get it on paper, dont take their word for it over the phone.
On the other hand, if you get to know one or two folk on this site you will probably get an invite or two once you have established yourself.
All the best
costs
Thanks sikamalc.
Ive copied and saved your post as a reference - always nice to have a benchmark.
Regarding not getting any deer sometimes - hey, thats why its called stalking and not "deer shooting" - when I go fishing I don't always catch fish!
Where is the challenge or opportunity to learn and develope your skills if every trip is a success?
Cheers
Daemon
Thanks sikamalc.
Ive copied and saved your post as a reference - always nice to have a benchmark.
Regarding not getting any deer sometimes - hey, thats why its called stalking and not "deer shooting" - when I go fishing I don't always catch fish!
Where is the challenge or opportunity to learn and develope your skills if every trip is a success?
Cheers
Daemon
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Davie
Guest
Hillbilly let us know how you get on and yes that is a fair deal .I really do not think you will be 12 hour stalking but hey that's just an opinion.
i would be looking in my job for 240 pounds for that amount of hours and you would not get dinner off me
i would be looking in my job for 240 pounds for that amount of hours and you would not get dinner off me
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Hillbilly
Guest
Goodbye forum.
Busmans holiday !
I can stalk Roe on my own ground,Reds with my brother and help other guys with there stalking .So availability is not the issue .
I decided I was going to stalk something different this year and have been trolling the internet looking for prices for Muntjac.
The variation in pricing is quite large overall.Although most are in an acceptable bracket.
Honest up front prices are are more attractive than some fancy website saying email for prices.
And if I had a personal recomondation that would be best of all .(but I dont yet )
The point is that like every other sport whether it be golf ,scuba diving or stalking .
You play the game to the level you can afford !If your happy to pay the asking price ,then go for it .
If you cant ,then look for another venue where you can afford it .
But dont moan about up front clear pricing !
If I have a good trip I would write it up here and let you all know
If I had a bad trip I would do the same .
If I got ripped off ,EVERYONE would know .
I am just an ordinary working man and cant afford a lot of things .So I make do with what I can afford .
I will be looking for the best deal for ME !regardless of whether its £50 per outing or £100/200+ per day .
If I make the decision ,then I have no room to moan .
I can stalk Roe on my own ground,Reds with my brother and help other guys with there stalking .So availability is not the issue .
I decided I was going to stalk something different this year and have been trolling the internet looking for prices for Muntjac.
The variation in pricing is quite large overall.Although most are in an acceptable bracket.
Honest up front prices are are more attractive than some fancy website saying email for prices.
And if I had a personal recomondation that would be best of all .(but I dont yet )
The point is that like every other sport whether it be golf ,scuba diving or stalking .
You play the game to the level you can afford !If your happy to pay the asking price ,then go for it .
If you cant ,then look for another venue where you can afford it .
But dont moan about up front clear pricing !
If I have a good trip I would write it up here and let you all know
If I had a bad trip I would do the same .
If I got ripped off ,EVERYONE would know .
I am just an ordinary working man and cant afford a lot of things .So I make do with what I can afford .
I will be looking for the best deal for ME !regardless of whether its £50 per outing or £100/200+ per day .
If I make the decision ,then I have no room to moan .
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