Roe tasting bitter

Mungo

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Every now and then I shoot a roe deer that ends up tasting strangely bitter - not overpowering, just there in the background, though it lingers in the mouth. The best I can describe it is a bit like the smell of pencil shavings.

The only thing these carcasses have in common is that they were all shot on Heather.

I’m now starting to wonder if eating heather affects the meat.

Has anyone found similar?
 
I’ve found similar with animals that have been full of adrenaline. I dispatched a muntjac at the side of the road one night and (with landowners permission) took the carcass. It was bloody awful in the way you describe and repeated on me for ages.
 
I’ve found similar with animals that have been full of adrenaline. I dispatched a muntjac at the side of the road one night and (with landowners permission) took the carcass. It was bloody awful in the way you describe and repeated on me for ages.
The complaint from people who disliked their first taste of Venison, "Bitter" .. most often from a rutting Stag.
 
Every now and then I shoot a roe deer that ends up tasting strangely bitter - not overpowering, just there in the background, though it lingers in the mouth. The best I can describe it is a bit like the smell of pencil shavings.

The only thing these carcasses have in common is that they were all shot on Heather.

I’m now starting to wonder if eating heather affects the meat.

Has anyone found similar?
Well known amongst livestock farmers that an animals diet makes a difference to flavour of the meat. I worked on a dairy farm for a while and the taste of the milk changed very quickly when the cows put out to pasture after a winter diet of maize and grass silage.

I also shot a couple of Roe that were raiding a field of leeks. One was in poor condition so condemned, but the other definitely tainted with a leek / onion flavour.

I have also noticed difference in flavour between roe raised on farmland / deciduous woodland and those from moorland commercial forestry.

As for bleeding - if the bullet has gone through the heart / aorta etc the animal’s meat will be as bled out as it’s ever going to be. But it will all be in the body cavity. All the so called bleeding will do is let that blood out before you gralloch.

Very different to a slaughter house where a beast is stunned, or captured bolt through the brain and the throat slit and the heart will continue pumping out all the blood for several moments.

With deer, by the time you get to the carcass, especially if you wait a few moments before approaching all the bleeding that is possible will have occured. Sticking a knife in will make little difference. If the deer has run versus dropping on the spot and kicking any blood in the muscle mass will have flowed out of the massive damage to major blood vessels.

The other source of venison bitterness can be the fat. Venison fat, certainly to me is kind of bitter and rancid. It is certainly not sweet like beef or lamb fat. I tend to remove all of the fat certainly prior to cooking, but generally when butchering the carcass.
 
I find the same strange flavour in grouse or blue hares which eat heather most of the time, but not in blackface mutton off the hill. Bit of a conundrum similar to women in that respect.
 
Did you remove all the lymph nodes before cooking?

Another option is was the meat bruised?
Was it adrenaline?
Back straps, so no lymph nodes.

Adrenaline possible. But shot plenty others that were alert or ran hard, and didn’t have this flavour to the meat (though I agree a stressed animal does seem to have its own unappealing taste).
 
I find the same strange flavour in grouse or blue hares which eat heather most of the time, but not in blackface mutton off the hill. Bit of a conundrum similar to women in that respect.
Maybe the sheep are more selective with what they eat? Or eat less heather?
 
I find the same strange flavour in grouse or blue hares which eat heather most of the time, but not in blackface mutton off the hill. Bit of a conundrum similar to women in that respect.
Not sure if hill sheep really will eat much in the way of heather shoots, instead, will mostly concentrate on grasses growing in amongst and along side the heather. Sheep are more grazers than browsers, although they do have a narrow mouth able to pick off individual blades of good grass in amongst the poorer grasses.
 
Black faced sheep are some of the finest tasting lamb and mutton they absolutely do eat Heather, local to me you can see the difference in Heather with sheep and without.
Bitterness in Roe meat I would think will have a lot to do with diet possibly eating in around peat bogs and the the grasses, herbs etc it has been a really wet year too I would think Roe would only nibble the fresh shoots on Heather
 
Most of the roe here live and die in the heather, all of them (too me) taste horrid I just made a roe leg roast Its likely going to end up as dog food.
They taste like they have mud/bitter throughout them.

They taste almost exactly how I imagine rashes would taste, muddy and swampy tasting but obviously the deer arent daft enough to eat that so who knows.

Reds on the exact same ground taste far better, I think roe just pick up bad tastes very easily.
 
I hadn’t thought about the boggy/swampy connection.

This makes perfect sense. The bitter ones all came from cleughs and bowls with a lot of rushes.

It may not be the rushes themselves, but some other wetland plant that does it.
 
I hadn’t thought about the boggy/swampy connection.

This makes perfect sense. The bitter ones all came from cleughs and bowls with a lot of rushes.

It may not be the rushes themselves, but some other wetland plant that does it.
Animals living on the Essex Salt Marsh grazing being Beef and Sheep eat very well.
Farmer I shoot on his ground they roasted a muntjac back leg on a nest of hay on Saturday according to the text it was very nice.
 
Animals living on the Essex Salt Marsh grazing being Beef and Sheep eat very well.
Farmer I shoot on his ground they roasted a muntjac back leg on a nest of hay on Saturday according to the text it was very nice.
Salt marsh lamb is absolutely delicious! Never had beef off a salt marsh, but can imagine it would be amazing.

I think there’s likely to be a world of difference between tidal salt marsh and acidic peat bog!
 
Salt marsh lamb is absolutely delicious! Never had beef off a salt marsh, but can imagine it would be amazing.

I think there’s likely to be a world of difference between tidal salt marsh and acidic peat bog!
Yes, With a big Acorn year in the winter pigeons hover them up (seen 19) in one crop, shot muntjac with them in and bet an bet in the big woodlands roe and fallow will eat them.

Acorn is very bitter (tannin) I think,
 
I’ve found similar with animals that have been full of adrenaline. I dispatched a muntjac at the side of the road one night and (with landowners permission) took the carcass. It was bloody awful in the way you describe and repeated on me for ages.

Hi 75 - may i ask was that round us at all ?
Heard a few reports lately of one or two starting to appear
 
Hi 75 - may i ask was that round us at all ?
Heard a few reports lately of one or two starting to appear
It wasn't - I used to live in Berkshire many years ago (but wasn't born and bred there so don't hold it against me).

A good mate shot one in Stoney a few years ago so they are definitely about.
 
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