Scottish Independence Take 2

[LeftHandGuy]

One plausible Independence scenario would be for Scotland to adopt a settlement on same basis as something like the Isle of Mann. That would allow the Nationalists to proclaim success without actually having to answer the really difficult questions like Defence, foreign policy, or running its own currency....

 

[Fadcode]

One plausible Independence scenario would be for Scotland to adopt a settlement on same basis as something like the Isle of Mann. That would allow the Nationalists to proclaim success without actually having to answer the really difficult questions like Defence, foreign policy, or running its own currency....

I think they already have that, They make their own Laws, have their own Police, the only thing they don't have is their own money to run things. They could not afford, Defence, Customs etc, the reason they are in this predicament is that they went bankrupt 300 years ago, and we stepped in and bailed them out, I can't see the EU taking them on, as they are no more than a lame duck, Scotlands downfall is lack of people, they need enough people to be taxed in order to pay fro everything, the population don't seem to understand that.

 

[finnbear270]

Just spotted wee krankie advancing to the camera on telly, ..... a couple more degrees of the wrist and it would have mirrored Il Duce'

 

[User00032]

Taxi for Sturgeon!

If only eh..

 

[User00032]

People must remember that Sturgeon is a Scottish word for the female part of the anatomy used for urinating

That’s effin howlin man !

 

[Heym SR20]

I live about 1 mile as the crow flies from Holyrood and from Bute House.

You can hear the sound of steam coming out of her years and she hasn’t with vitriolic swear words all day long.

 

[Heym SR20]

I have no doubt that a country of 5 million people could be a very successful place to live. In the same way that a country of 66 million could be.

But not with bunch of nationalistic arseholes running the show.

Nationalism of any sort leads to utter disaster- history has shown that time and again.

We don’t need to elect based on charisma, we need government based on doing very boring things like running the health service and filling pot holes and doing that very well.

 

[long_range_rob]

Yes, in four years…and if I was an SNP supporter I’d use the argument that it’s been six since they lost…so it’s 2 years overdue.

But I don’t support them and so I wish it would all just go away and stop wasting money and time on bullsh*t!

I would challenge that with the fact Scotland United with England in 1707 so had a referendum after 307 years. It’s now been six years since the referendum so only another 301 before the replay.

 

[long_range_rob]

I’m sure the SD membership will correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the SNP actually in a coalition with the Greens and therefore does NOT have a mandate for independence?

P.S. I haven’t managed to shift the grin off my face thinking about Wee Jimmy’s reaction

 

[Klenchblaize]

I’m sure the SD membership will correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the SNP actually in a coalition with the Greens and therefore does NOT have a mandate for independence?

P.S. I haven’t managed to shift the grin off my face thinking about Wee Jimmy’s reaction

Her answer is to hold a rally to discuss rather than re-focus on a disintegrating SNHS and much more.

K

 

[Apthorpe]

One plausible Independence scenario would be for Scotland to adopt a settlement on same basis as something like the Isle of Mann. That would allow the Nationalists to proclaim success without actually having to answer the really difficult questions like Defence, foreign policy, or running its own currency....

Those aren't the difficult questions. The difficult questions are the economy, public spending, a brain drain, poor public health, and how a generally hostile, socialist nation with a massive requirement for corporate taxes is going attract investment.
There are plenty of examples of current and historical successful independent small countries. None of them have ever been high spending socialist countries.
Their real problem is that they inhabit an imaginary universe and viscerally reject any contact with reality. You can't thrive like that.

I have no doubt that a country of 5 million people could be a very successful place to live. In the same way that a country of 66 million could be.

But not with bunch of nationalistic arseholes running the show.

Nationalism of any sort leads to utter disaster- history has shown that time and again.

That's overstated to the extent of making it very wrong.

We don’t need to elect based on charisma, we need government based on doing very boring things like running the health service and filling pot holes and doing that very well.

Hear hear. Although that is what the civil service is for. It's reasonable to expect the half million people employed specifically to make public services work to be up to the job whoever is elected.

 

[kes]

Seems a response approach to child rearing?
Experience the world don’t just do what I say!
Anyway if there was a referendum it’s not up to the SNP it’s up to the voters?

Again ?
For how long until they accept the result (s)
Force the SNP to produce its case for a better fairer Scotland.
How much public money has been spent on the Indepedence rallies all over the Krankie world - however, I am sure they were planed for a positive result - still the mantra now is the poor oppressed Scots and the disturbing result (for UK) The woman is sick but its up to the Scots to diagnose it - without another chance of a 'yes' vote. Once in a lifetime should at least mean hers.

 

[User00035]

One plausible Independence scenario would be for Scotland to adopt a settlement on same basis as something like the Isle of Mann. That would allow the Nationalists to proclaim success without actually having to answer the really difficult questions like Defence, foreign policy, or running its own currency....

One trifling difference between Scotland and the Isle of Mann is that the Isle of Mann is solvent. It has no national debt. Scotland, hmm, no quite so much...

 

[STEWARTSMITH]

Surely she has to resign now?!!

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

She is already saying that the next election will be a mandate for independence

 

[Malxwal]

She is already saying that the next election will be a mandate for independence

Yes,and the same mantra being trotted out by her diehards on social media. Another last stand.

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

Yes,and the same mantra being trotted out by her diehards on social media. Another last stand.

Hopefully it will be like Custer's last stand.

 

[User00035]

Maybe this is a good opportunity for all the nations of the UK to come together and end the top-down control from London and find a better way to coexist and govern ourselves as a family of nations. I won't hold my breath, but we can but hope.
Lots of people in England share the same resentment felt by some Scots. And it's not a matter of left and right, just disaffection with a system that doesn't recognise regional need, wants and identities.

 

[LeftHandGuy]

One trifling difference between Scotland and the Isle of Mann is that the Isle of Mann is solvent. It has no national debt. Scotland, hmm, no quite so much...

True (or at least I assume that's true, it sounds pretty likely). The point is that there are forms of "independence" that don't necessarily require the dissolution of the armed forces, the adoption of a new currency, the formation of an independent foreign policy, or even a new head of state.

And if, as you say, the Isle of Mann is solvent under the current constitutional settlement, then there is at least some justification for suggesting that Scotland should be too.

Anyway, I am not advocating for it, I am deeply skeptical about nationalism of any kind, and it's clear to me that the Union is, like all the best partnerships, greater than the sum of its parts.

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]