Senopex A7
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I see quite a few are moving to tubes alternatives.
With similar base mag?
One on top of two
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I had a senopex S7 , very good it was too . but ………
I have gone back to my NV
I have a Hik micro thunder ( brilliant bit of kit ) 12 micron / 640 x 540 sensor blah blah
But that goes one my M3 impact for bunny’s
I also put it on my HW100 sub 12 ft for ratting and general farm yard and building clearance
But when foxing I use it as a spotter ,with my Drone pro x10 on my centerfire .
I don’t use a thermal for foxing anymore Unless I know it’s going to be closer or it’s a much smaller field .
And even right at this moment in time and for the foreseeable there is NOTHING that will ID your quarry at distance like a Drone pro.
Just to add , with a senopex ( the S series are the ones to get S5 / S7 /S10 ) but all you get is a performance scope .
There are no bells or whistles , terrible recorded image …… just awful picture with no sound .
No software updates or a fancy app to play with…. Nothing !
I have gone back to my NV
I have a Hik micro thunder ( brilliant bit of kit ) 12 micron / 640 x 540 sensor blah blah
But that goes one my M3 impact for bunny’s
I also put it on my HW100 sub 12 ft for ratting and general farm yard and building clearance
But when foxing I use it as a spotter ,with my Drone pro x10 on my centerfire .
I don’t use a thermal for foxing anymore Unless I know it’s going to be closer or it’s a much smaller field .
And even right at this moment in time and for the foreseeable there is NOTHING that will ID your quarry at distance like a Drone pro.
Just to add , with a senopex ( the S series are the ones to get S5 / S7 /S10 ) but all you get is a performance scope .
There are no bells or whistles , terrible recorded image …… just awful picture with no sound .
No software updates or a fancy app to play with…. Nothing !
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Ive had the S10 for a while now, ive found the picture almost to good , what I mean by that is , the target seams a lot closer than it is, i
called a fox in with my mate and I said ill stop him around the 100 mark , and I did and perfect chest shot , dropped on the spot,
measured it out 204 yds approx, so now waiting for the Telos LRF spotter, you need a LRF to use perfectly in my opinion, some of my ground
the fields vary from 150 yds to 500yds , so knowing the fields doesn't help that much. ps I don't record so I can't comment on that.
called a fox in with my mate and I said ill stop him around the 100 mark , and I did and perfect chest shot , dropped on the spot,
measured it out 204 yds approx, so now waiting for the Telos LRF spotter, you need a LRF to use perfectly in my opinion, some of my ground
the fields vary from 150 yds to 500yds , so knowing the fields doesn't help that much. ps I don't record so I can't comment on that.
I think this is a problem with all Thermal and nightvision. Range estimation is so difficult due to the lack of definition.
This was the reason I sold my S10
I had been shooting for several years with a lower magnification thermal scope and had become accustomed to what a fox looked lie at different ranges
With the higher magnification of the S10 and it's great image I was taking shots at foxes that were simply too far away.
That didn't do my confidence with the scope any good at all and, as we all know, confidence in the kit you are using is a very big deal
I'm now using a Pulsar Thermion 2 XG50 LRF that has a base mag of x3 and a rangefinder that has, thus far, prevented me making the same mistakes as I made with the S10
Cheers
Bruce
Im going to stick with it at the moment Bruce hopefully if I can get the telos it will help with distance, I only noticed as I missed a long fox I thought it was around the 200 mark , shot low ,a bit of me plus distance , it was around the 325 mark this is when I thought ahh rangefinder needed.
I don't think it's lack of definition because digital NV typically produces a much sharper and more detailed image than thermal.
It's lack of depth of field that's the problem
Everything looks to be about the same distance away and the colour and contrast of different objects that, during daylight, our brain uses to judge distance are simply not available.
Cheers
Bruce
I use the xg50 lrf to Bruce. I had the xp50 since they first come out and upgraded every 3 years as warranty ran out but I must say the xg50 is a hell of a scope and the built in lrf is a big help
I sold a Longbow 6 mounts ago, in hind site I should have kept it as backup.Will stay with the longbow till it goes pop methinks
Well far play to those's thats said their not happy with their Senopex s7 & s10 thermal rifle scopes.
From my experience if you spot with thermal, and shoot with thermal you CANNOT 100% id, and this is a safety issue, some of the time its clear its a fox, the way it moves ect, but there are times when its not clear, a badger at 250 yds with surrounding grass half way up its body, cats laid down facing you.
I don't buy the argument on foxes being too far away ---------on the thermal rifle scope, i have lots of foxing permission's, a lot arn't over 200 yds square so choose where i am the fox is within range, i also have some foxing permissions that are over 500 yds, if i see a fox at the far end of the field, i know i've a 300 yd-ish walk, i've do this loads of time's to find the fox has gone before i get within range.
You can Google earth land to see the distance, and a good centrefire rifle can give 250-300 yd range although i dont go over 250 yds and where possible prefer 150 yd-ish in field condition's.
After 6 years using a Pulsar xq38f i've only just gone onto a thermal spotter with laser range finder, IMO if your having a laser range finder it wants to be on the thermal spotter you then know if the range is before you mount the rifle.
For the lads thats got thermal spotters and Longbows or Archers, IMO do not get rid to buy any thermal rifle scope as you can spot in stealth then 100% id before taking the shot.
Some foxes are i/r shy, these's have been either lamped or lasered, shot at and missed, its not a problem that a bit of field craft cannot sort out, any i/r shy foxes that stay on my permission's i will eventually get .
Dave (warbucks)
From my experience if you spot with thermal, and shoot with thermal you CANNOT 100% id, and this is a safety issue, some of the time its clear its a fox, the way it moves ect, but there are times when its not clear, a badger at 250 yds with surrounding grass half way up its body, cats laid down facing you.
I don't buy the argument on foxes being too far away ---------on the thermal rifle scope, i have lots of foxing permission's, a lot arn't over 200 yds square so choose where i am the fox is within range, i also have some foxing permissions that are over 500 yds, if i see a fox at the far end of the field, i know i've a 300 yd-ish walk, i've do this loads of time's to find the fox has gone before i get within range.
You can Google earth land to see the distance, and a good centrefire rifle can give 250-300 yd range although i dont go over 250 yds and where possible prefer 150 yd-ish in field condition's.
After 6 years using a Pulsar xq38f i've only just gone onto a thermal spotter with laser range finder, IMO if your having a laser range finder it wants to be on the thermal spotter you then know if the range is before you mount the rifle.
For the lads thats got thermal spotters and Longbows or Archers, IMO do not get rid to buy any thermal rifle scope as you can spot in stealth then 100% id before taking the shot.
Some foxes are i/r shy, these's have been either lamped or lasered, shot at and missed, its not a problem that a bit of field craft cannot sort out, any i/r shy foxes that stay on my permission's i will eventually get .
Dave (warbucks)
Very interesting, I use a Cobra rear add and have done for many years now, I am going to upgrade to a PSV14 at some stage, every now and again i ponder on a thermal scope instead but the just don't trust digital or thermal, I know thousands of people have now problems with them.
I agree with Warbucks in possitive ID using just thermal for spotting, I guarantee people have not seen fox's lying looking at them.
I agree with Warbucks in possitive ID using just thermal for spotting, I guarantee people have not seen fox's lying looking at them.
One on top of two
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Most importantly they do work well though
I understand what your saying, but what im saying about the S10 is that the picture is so good the target looks so close, I can identify a mouse at 300 with it ,
Ive already taken over 50 foxes with it .
Well if the picture/identification is so good with the s10 and its only that foxes are further out than they look (they are to me with night vision) this should only be a problem in fields over 250 yds and even then you should have a rough idea if you are sub 250 yds.
most people that have spent £3000+ on a thermal rifle scope will have a thermal spotter, and if you are going to keep at the sport it makes sense to buy the spotter with a laser range finder.
Sorry what you call a problem with your s10's, i don't see the problem.
I've only just bought a thermal with laser range finder after using a xq38f for over 6 years, ive averaged just a little over 200 foxes per year since 2014, 2,010 foxes to date.
I think with any night sight device you do need time to get used to it, choose how good you are or what equipment you've got, you will not get every fox you see.
Dave (warbucks)
The A7 has a tighter field of view than an S10 and theres mountains of people using them for long range foxes.. Even at 384 resoltution, what on the market produces a better long range image ? If you are using a thermal spotter to locate and your foxing, using an A7 is no problem and brings thermal benefits and long range ID ability.
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