Shooters are giving up

[Apthorpe]

Assuming you applied in good time

That assumption rests on the assumption that the NHS surgery (another obstructive branch of the state) did their job properly in processing the form in a timely manner, rather than the shambles which actually occurred. "Good time" is a very elastic concept.

if you need to lodge guns with an rfd (assuming there are any left and willing) then the cost of this should be born by the police.

I'd be surprised if the police ever coughed up. My force certainly doesn't give any undertaking to process renewals within any set timeframe at all. About half of cases are now dealt with in what used to be considered the maximum timeframe, and they're very pleased with themselves for having improved to that level.

That said they must issue a s7 if they are at fault

They didn't last time around, because they didn't know they existed.

In any event, I've paid much more than ever before on the quid pro quo of radically better service and safety. I will be very surprised not to get much worse service and public safety has already been worsened by the ridiculous means of allowing the 2 million odd unvetted NHS employees access to details of who holds guns and what their addresses are. In the past, such people have carried out, inter alia, terrorist attacks on airports, the worst serial killer in UK history etc.etc.

 

[Dazb1967]

I see a few people on here saying shooting is cheap, I stalk and I do pest control, The pest control is fairly cheap as in a few cartridges and bullets for foxes and paying for fuel but the Stalking is expensive.
I have to pay for stalking permission along with the guys on our syndicate, There is no stalking local to us so travelling is our only option and over the year this goes into the £1000's, No one wants to buy Venison though they will gladly take it for nothing but I eat a lot of venison so I don't give it away.
If you have permission to shoot deer on land free of charge then I get that it's cheap but some people are struggling to get such land and this is where the only option is to pay for it or if this isn't an option they have to give up simply because they can't afford it and can't get access to land.

 

[jall55]

Strange thing, a very long time ago I/we formed a Full club as the local club we belonged to decided it wasn’t prudent to keep the full bore section open,
Fast forward years and we now have loads of members from the original club joining us!
And this coming Saturday I start my probation back with the local club again!

Handy for me for retirement as one can shoot pretty much any time one wants to and 5 minutes from my home !
Result,
Obviously I’ll remain a full member of my full bore club,
As for passion I really don’t think I could have supported and enjoyed my shooting any better,
I’m 69 now so it will see me out ,
My daughter likes clays but my sons have zero interest
But the lead band will make things very much worse, as a lot of smaller shoots just won’t be able to get insurance cover because of ricochet problems that are associated with steel,
West Kent comes to mind !
Absolutely no steel!!!

Never heard of insurance issues because of ricochet

What happened at West Kent ?

 

[BenBhoy]

And tennis now that is the ultimate boring sport

Darts was on the radio the other night..... wow

 

[Bill.Stickers]

But the lead band will make things very much worse, as a lot of smaller shoots just won’t be able to get insurance cover because of ricochet problems that are associated with steel,
West Kent comes to mind !
Absolutely no steel!!!

The "lead ban" will affect target shooting for sure but for small-bore there's no proposal to ban lead and for full-bore there's to be a license and derogation process. There's question marks over effective back-stops and lead recovery especially for steel plates but hopefully this can be managed

 

[Liveonce]

Not bitter at all, I’ve had a good life shooting and I will continue for as long as I can enjoy it for as long as I can, would I be bitter if it was banned?

I would be a bit bitter for a few days, I suppose, but once you get your head around it same **** different day, this is the whole reason why I have downsized to 2 guns one rifle one shotgun the writing was on the wall a very long time ago and if those of you want to cling onto the dream so be it but me personally preparations have begun !

Why wait ? save us having to hear you say I told you so, sell your 2 remaining guns and let us who care enough about the joy of shooting carry on pushing back, after all by your own omission after a few days you will not care.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Are you sure you are not considering self harm with so much negativity in your life, may be tyey should revoke your certificates just to be certain.

No danger of that, that’s for sure

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Are you sure you are not considering self harm with so much negativity in your life, may be tyey should revoke your certificates just to be certain.

They take mine I’ll make sure they have yours for online abuse so I would delete that comment if I were you

 

[Chris Richardson]

That bitter at your age is very unhealthy.

To be so clueless at your age is worrying

 

[Mike L]

To be so clueless at your age is worrying

Yay, and here’s Ben!!

 

[Deermanagement]

Will it ? Speaking to my mate who was in the England team , he has just given up as he says the lead ban will destroy it.

Likely trap and any sporting over 30 yds

 

[Apthorpe]

And tennis now that is the ultimate boring sport

Golf?

 

[Stevie/P]

Golf

Football

 

[Lateral]

Shooters are already giving up my local has people bringing in guns every week can't be dealing with the hassle and shotguns going on section 1 the shop has more or less stopped buying in cartridges I think he can see what lies ahead

And THIS is exactly what they want to achieve ! And the more people who do this, the less likely they are to change what they are trying to impose..................

 

[newsatten]

Golf?

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Never heard of insurance issues because of ricochet

What happened at West Kent ?

nothing just steel shot is prohibited,

 

[nf-fuse]

And THIS is exactly what they want to achieve ! And the more people who do this, the less likely they are to change what they are trying to impose..................

They're imposing rules based on the Keyham and Plymouth incidents. Certainly in the case of Keyham this was put at the door of the police and their failures.

The coroner recommended tightening controls on shotguns, but as we all know the guy should not have had one under the old rules. Never mind new ones.

The corner also recommended that standardised training should become mandatory in FLDs. That recommendation never got anywhere including in D&C. As you'll recall the feos had no proper training.

This being said you're not dealing with something that been done in good faith. The idea that if we all stick together it will be okay, is optimistic at best to

 

[spanj]

That assumption rests on the assumption that the NHS surgery (another obstructive branch of the state) did their job properly in processing the form in a timely manner, rather than the shambles which actually occurred. "Good time" is a very elastic concept.

I'd be surprised if the police ever coughed up. My force certainly doesn't give any undertaking to process renewals within any set timeframe at all. About half of cases are now dealt with in what used to be considered the maximum timeframe, and they're very pleased with themselves for having improved to that level.

They didn't last time around, because they didn't know they existed.

In any event, I've paid much more than ever before on the quid pro quo of radically better service and safety. I will be very surprised not to get much worse service and public safety has already been worsened by the ridiculous means of allowing the 2 million odd unvetted NHS employees access to details of who holds guns and what their addresses are. In the past, such people have carried out, inter alia, terrorist attacks on airports, the worst serial killer in UK history etc.etc.

I speak from experience, direct, first hand. Wont bore you with the full story but had my renewal within 2 weeks after I told my force I wouldnt accept responsibility for THEIR systems failings, demonstrated my compliance with the guidelines, refused to accept their “just carry on until we say otherwise” approach and demanded a s7. Takes same time to do a s7 as a renewal and got it within 2 weeks. Act the victim be the victim is my take on this

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

They're imposing rules based on the Keyham and Plymouth incidents. Certainly in the case of Keyham this was put at the door of the police and their failures.

The coroner recommended tightening controls on shotguns, but as we all know the guy should not have had one under the old rules. Never mind new ones.

The corner also recommended that standardised training should become mandatory in FLDs. That recommendation never got anywhere including in D&C. As you'll recall the feos had no proper training.

This being said you're not dealing with something that been done in good faith. The idea that if we all stick together it will be okay, is optimistic at best to

Over 200,000 of us marched for fox hunting where did that get us?

Over 100,000 signed a pointless petition where did that get us?

Absolutely bloody nowhere!

Do you sort of get the general idea that the government and those in power I want to just do away with the countryside lifestyle as much as possible?

My personal opinion is yes they do and therefore I am also of the belief and it may be simplistic but keep your head down and crack on for as long as you possibly can , now some might not like that opinion which is theirs but if they banned it tomorrow, would I be sad?

No, I wouldn’t be honest. I’ve had a fair crack at this shooting lark achieved everything I want to achieve apart shoot grouse, but it’s still time for that

 

[newsatten]

I’m slightly confused were the idea that shooting isn’t expensive?
Reloading quality 1000 mtr capable 308 ammunition now cost over a 100 quid per 100,
And a decent 100 bird clay shoot is banging on the door of 100 quid,
Either of the two can easily be done in a couple of hours,
Personally I don’t this a cheap hobby

 

[Apthorpe]

They're imposing rules based on the Keyham and Plymouth incidents.

That is one incident with two names.

Certainly in the case of Keyham this was put at the door of the police and their failures.

The coroner recommended tightening controls on shotguns, but as we all know the guy should not have had one under the old rules. Never mind new ones.

The corner also recommended that standardised training should become mandatory in FLDs. That recommendation never got anywhere including in D&C. As you'll recall the feos had no proper training.

This being said you're not dealing with something that been done in good faith. The idea that if we all stick together it will be okay, is optimistic at best to