Shooting in Scotland under attack - please help!
- Thread starter Conor O'Gorman
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shakey jake
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why no to glue trapping?
"Surveys" are designed to gauge public opinion on proposals that they already want to bring in. If the survey supports the proposals, they forge ahead and make it happen. If the survey doesn't garner the support they want, the usual policy is to wait maybe six months until the furore dies down, then implement anyway, when everyone is resigned that it's happening, they told us ages ago....
It does not matter up here. They do what they want . That shower snp. Look at the air gun nonsense everyone against it passed flying colours. It matters not if you fill it in or not, they pay zero heed to it . God look at queen Nicky just now , 600k missing , 110k motorhome found in mother in law garden , police seized it. Corruption not the word for it. I personally believe that if it’s a snp bill it will pass , with that guy that hates everyone that’s white. That’s the sad state of affairs up here , blame the snp supporters!
Push back buddy
Conor O'Gorman
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Thanks to the 27 SD members that have posted that they have completed the survey so far. Further updates would be great to keep momentum going!
The SNPs current problems are all the more reason to push back on this.
Humza may not have that long left if this business with the 600k really kicks off and Kate Forbes didn’t seem as bad (all things being relative) so if this is pushed back it’s possible it could fall to someone else to decide.
Even if he survives this, it’s likely to mean the SNP may have bigger issues to deal with in the short term and may not want to spend time on this if it looks to be a thornier issue than they expected. There’s no doubt he isn’t going to have the control over the party that Sturgeon held.
Humza may not have that long left if this business with the 600k really kicks off and Kate Forbes didn’t seem as bad (all things being relative) so if this is pushed back it’s possible it could fall to someone else to decide.
Even if he survives this, it’s likely to mean the SNP may have bigger issues to deal with in the short term and may not want to spend time on this if it looks to be a thornier issue than they expected. There’s no doubt he isn’t going to have the control over the party that Sturgeon held.
Conor, I'm sure there are more who have completed the survey and not said so on here....including me.
Mick9abf
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@Conor O'Gorman sadly I think the issue is that you can do as much lobbying as you want in the Scottish Parliament (assembly) but until there is a second chamber where the whims of the SNP/Greens and fringe groups they operate with to pursue their agendas we are collectively wasting our time.
The only way to deal with this, as demonstrated with the recent referendum request and gender bill is for the U.K. Gov to step in.
Since this won’t affect he RUK it leaves you with one option and that is to challenge it in court, and by challenge you, or rather the groups and people who this effects, need to club together and go tonto with a campaign to get the scientific truth out there which is largely ignored in the shortbread senate, and take them to court about it - and there is a good chance you will win, but it will cost money, a lot of it.
Frankly this should have been done a long time ago on legislation previously and just passed, it would have put a lot of people back in their boxes. The only SNP MSP that fieldsports and rural industry has a chance with is Fergus Ewing and he is continually drowned out which is a real shame as he is the only one worth their salary in that respect.
I cannot understand why everyone with vested interests allow themselves to be dragged this far down the line before trying to climb the mountain. Anyone who thinks the joke at the bottom of the Royal Mile will do anything in the interests of the countryside with the current incumbents is deluded but hopefully their tenure is going to come to an end shortly - undoubtedly in the criminal court for some.
I think some lobbying to have the Royal Assent removed from a particular bird charity would be a good start, particularly since the king happens to like grouse shooting.
They have attacked us on all fronts with little recourse for years and have been allowed to by giving a little so they won’t take more. Next is snaring (which will undoubtedly doubt go), then it will be fishing, licences for stalking etc etc.
The Greens, SNP and mates in the anti groups are ****ing themselves laughing at us because they can do all of this with little effort. Waste landowners time resources to do surveys and then ignore the outcome to fit an agenda and pass legislation - Mountain Hare Protection bill being passed ring any bells.
Anyway now I’ve got that off my chest I’ve done this as I have with every other one for the SGA etc which are given lip service by the ‘Scottish Government’. Tony B’liar has a lot to answer for - and breathe……
The only way to deal with this, as demonstrated with the recent referendum request and gender bill is for the U.K. Gov to step in.
Since this won’t affect he RUK it leaves you with one option and that is to challenge it in court, and by challenge you, or rather the groups and people who this effects, need to club together and go tonto with a campaign to get the scientific truth out there which is largely ignored in the shortbread senate, and take them to court about it - and there is a good chance you will win, but it will cost money, a lot of it.
Frankly this should have been done a long time ago on legislation previously and just passed, it would have put a lot of people back in their boxes. The only SNP MSP that fieldsports and rural industry has a chance with is Fergus Ewing and he is continually drowned out which is a real shame as he is the only one worth their salary in that respect.
I cannot understand why everyone with vested interests allow themselves to be dragged this far down the line before trying to climb the mountain. Anyone who thinks the joke at the bottom of the Royal Mile will do anything in the interests of the countryside with the current incumbents is deluded but hopefully their tenure is going to come to an end shortly - undoubtedly in the criminal court for some.
I think some lobbying to have the Royal Assent removed from a particular bird charity would be a good start, particularly since the king happens to like grouse shooting.
They have attacked us on all fronts with little recourse for years and have been allowed to by giving a little so they won’t take more. Next is snaring (which will undoubtedly doubt go), then it will be fishing, licences for stalking etc etc.
The Greens, SNP and mates in the anti groups are ****ing themselves laughing at us because they can do all of this with little effort. Waste landowners time resources to do surveys and then ignore the outcome to fit an agenda and pass legislation - Mountain Hare Protection bill being passed ring any bells.
Anyway now I’ve got that off my chest I’ve done this as I have with every other one for the SGA etc which are given lip service by the ‘Scottish Government’. Tony B’liar has a lot to answer for - and breathe……
Conor O'Gorman
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Thanks for completing the survey nonetheless - for what it's worth I do believe it counts - and we need to encourage more and more people to get involved in these consultations each and every time.
shakey jake
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no answer to my question earlier conor?
I see them as cruel personally so i would not want to use one
Do you think they are ok Shakey ?
shakey jake
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i dont think much should be banned outright. i see them as a very effective tool. they just need to be checked and used approptiatly.
i dont think or cant remember ever using them but i wont say i wouldnt use them.
im just suprised basc wont support a legal tool
I would hope that they move away from things though that cause cruelty and distress ?
I know its probably a can of worms and so many people will have different views
A couple of years ago i felt i could not support a GWCT auction because it promoted Foie Gras - after discussion it was also established the meal was farmed salmon - fair play to the organisation but they knocked that on the head - if you pardon the pun.
shakey jake
Well-Known Member
live catch traps cause cruelty and distress. so much of what we do does or could do the same.
make them licensed. but banning is a mistake
Is it not though that our intention is to either kill as quickly as possible or in the case of snares - restrain with as little distress as possible
I can only imagine - and i realise animals are different - to being glued in a position for hours on end
Not for me
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