Shooting record for permission.
- Thread starter Alexltw
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What the hell is that?
It sounds as though your FLD have asked you to consider keeping what used to be commonly recognised as a personal 'Game Book' (for shotgun use) or a 'Sporting Rifle Register' for rifles. For those (not I, alas) disciplined enough to keep these records - of sporting excursions the when, where, what weather, what seen/shot and with which rifle - they can be very useful in terms of knowing one's ground.
These records are, of course, also a delight to reminisce over - so it must be heartening indeed to know that your FLD wishes to share in that pleasure, perhaps by the fire over a glass of whisky on a dark winter's evening.
Unless, of course, it is a slightly sinister overextension of the common inclination among FLDs to know about and 'manage' the minutiae of lawful firearms-users business?
These records are, of course, also a delight to reminisce over - so it must be heartening indeed to know that your FLD wishes to share in that pleasure, perhaps by the fire over a glass of whisky on a dark winter's evening.
Unless, of course, it is a slightly sinister overextension of the common inclination among FLDs to know about and 'manage' the minutiae of lawful firearms-users business?
Back of the outhouse door mate.
Our Rifle Club has an Attendance Record that is required by our Constabulary for obvious reasons. Also a record of attendance is held by the NRA Bisley if you are a member.
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No such thing exists.
If you want to keep a diary of your outings, for your personal use, that's entirely up to you.
This is a Home Office requirement for clubs and club shooters, but there's no such requirement for live quarry
TringSaint
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I just log which farm I have shot on and the number of deer shot or not as the case may be. I don’t say which rifle I used but that could be added to the log with ease.
A few of us remember your blog/journey with FAC SimonThis is a Home Office requirement for clubs and club shooters, but there's no such requirement for live quarry
I found the records (pictures) of what I had shot being a lot of foxes on a closed ticket (cleared farms) useful as I was wanting it opened up as it was 14 months since the first grant so the FEO called in as Dad had given up his FAC and I was taking it over.
He stopped me at the first file asking "are there any left" drank his tea took my ticket and it came back 4 days later so I say keeping records can do no harm.
@Alexltw
This is a completely different regulation, no visits, no target licence, no firearms unless shooting over land.
... I'm glad to hear it...?
Then Alex might choose to read it... I'm glad to hear it...?
Maybe provide a bit more context @Alexltw ?
The way you framed it does sound like a Licensing department request...?
If so, I'd ask what it's purpose is and what element of the guidance it hopes to fulfill?
If you are in BASC/NGO maybe cc them in to your response too?
Mission creep by individual licensing departments and wide and pointless asks are becoming the norm now.
If this is one such case - I'd want clarification on their rationale for the ask.
The way you framed it does sound like a Licensing department request...?
If so, I'd ask what it's purpose is and what element of the guidance it hopes to fulfill?
If you are in BASC/NGO maybe cc them in to your response too?
Mission creep by individual licensing departments and wide and pointless asks are becoming the norm now.
If this is one such case - I'd want clarification on their rationale for the ask.
Heym SR20
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Cull records are very dependent on the land owner. Here in Scotland highland estates would keep detailed records. Partly these were to give cull returns to the Deer Commission and partly for their own use. Sales particulars for sporting estates would give rolling average of stags and hinds, and in many ways the value of the estate was a reflection of the number of good quality deer the ground would produce on a sustainable basis.
Smaller farms all have different requirements, and again will depend on stewardship, grants etc etc.
Some people like to maintain detailed records, diaries etc etc not just of their shooting but everything else in their life. My father, for every car that he has ever owned has a fuel book into which he records the mileage, the fuel bought, name of garage, price paid etc. and these go back 70 years.
For my own use, I just take photo of the deer I shoot with rifle lying alongside. This gives me a record.
To be honest though number of deer shot is really quite meaningless. There are plenty of times when you go out stalking and you see nothing, or only see out of season deer etc. But you are still out stalking.
As regards signing the register as part of a Home office approved club, this is a legal requirement - see note 6 of the link below.
Smaller farms all have different requirements, and again will depend on stewardship, grants etc etc.
Some people like to maintain detailed records, diaries etc etc not just of their shooting but everything else in their life. My father, for every car that he has ever owned has a fuel book into which he records the mileage, the fuel bought, name of garage, price paid etc. and these go back 70 years.
For my own use, I just take photo of the deer I shoot with rifle lying alongside. This gives me a record.
To be honest though number of deer shot is really quite meaningless. There are plenty of times when you go out stalking and you see nothing, or only see out of season deer etc. But you are still out stalking.
As regards signing the register as part of a Home office approved club, this is a legal requirement - see note 6 of the link below.
...but, as stated above, irrelevant to stalking live quarry as has already been posted:
here's no such requirement for live quarry
<<<<<relevant to target shooting at a HoA club, not stalking
Merlyn
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The police can already see how much you have used your rifles by the ammunition information recorded on your certificate at the time of purchase. Where, when and at what you used them is not of any interest to them unless you operated outside the terms of your individual certificate. And you are hardly likely to record that even if you did do it - Which, of course, you haven't.
Some of these 'police' guys just make up the rules as they go along.
Over the years, I am very old, I have mentored a few newcomers to our activities. After listening to some of their comments, I started attending the initial visits by the 'police' when they apply for the grant of an FAC. They, the 'police', are not told that I am coming - I just happen to be there. It does seem to keep the conversations on a meaningful and legal path. I always keep absolutely silent, make the tea or something, unless some sort of irregularity enters the discussions or the applicant is asked something he/she can't answer due to lack of experience or knowledge.
On the last occasion, when a .17 was suggested as a starter rifle instead of the .223 that had been requested, the reasons given were sensible and very well explained. I then intervened and asked it a sensible time period for this 'probationary' period could be entered into the records of the meeting, and added that I would lend my .17HMR to the applicant immediately on issue of her certificate. This was agreed and we are proceeding nicely.
There is nothing in any regulations that I have read to say that you can't have an adviser along at the FAO visits. Most police forces seem to favour mentors.
I only do stalking type of shooting, not rifle clubs, where the regulations are different.
Some of these 'police' guys just make up the rules as they go along.
Over the years, I am very old, I have mentored a few newcomers to our activities. After listening to some of their comments, I started attending the initial visits by the 'police' when they apply for the grant of an FAC. They, the 'police', are not told that I am coming - I just happen to be there. It does seem to keep the conversations on a meaningful and legal path. I always keep absolutely silent, make the tea or something, unless some sort of irregularity enters the discussions or the applicant is asked something he/she can't answer due to lack of experience or knowledge.
On the last occasion, when a .17 was suggested as a starter rifle instead of the .223 that had been requested, the reasons given were sensible and very well explained. I then intervened and asked it a sensible time period for this 'probationary' period could be entered into the records of the meeting, and added that I would lend my .17HMR to the applicant immediately on issue of her certificate. This was agreed and we are proceeding nicely.
There is nothing in any regulations that I have read to say that you can't have an adviser along at the FAO visits. Most police forces seem to favour mentors.
I only do stalking type of shooting, not rifle clubs, where the regulations are different.
Nothing.
There is no requirement for verification by the police.
As others have said, keep a log for yourself if you wish, but it is not a requirement.
Personally, I have an album in my phone for deer, the photo records the deer and obviously location, date and time. The next photo in the album is the scales for larder weight of the deer. This is just for my personal reference and so I can monitor what is coming off each piece of ground each year, weights etc.
I do also keep a spreadsheet, that is more to do with the fact I have, in the words of my old FEO, “a rather large holding” of firearms for target. The spreadsheet helps me keep track of what I have shot and when, to ensure the guns held for target are used at least 4 times per year, as is the guidance for good reason.
I’ve no intention of supplying this to the police as they will be able to check the club records which will record my use.
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