Shooting record for permission.
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So How do you prove to FLD that you have used rifles if you reload apart from primers . for stalking and vermin if you haven't taken many pics.
so every outing is classed as usage
Gun records at the club for target are OK apart from my black powder navy arms that has not seemed to have been entered .But another 2 visit will make 4 visits this month.
so every outing is classed as usage
Gun records at the club for target are OK apart from my black powder navy arms that has not seemed to have been entered .But another 2 visit will make 4 visits this month.
I've never been asked to demonstrate this. I provide permission forms as required for renewals and variations etc but have never been asked for records of ammunition used or how many deer / foxes etc I shoot. It may have come up in general conversation with the FLO about how many times a week I get out but I honestly can't recall.
How does that work? You can't use your firearms for anything they're not conditioned for on your certificate, sk how are you supposed to prove you're using them before they grant you...?
renewal but have had open ticket 10yrs but have been told I can still use .as licence has not been revoked just held
co’den
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Sounds like they are looking for a land permission to support your good reason for a new grant????
You can use the template on the BASC site but I just got the landowner to email me a map and confirm that he was happy for me to shoot any legal quarry including deer on the ground identified on the map.
Edit, I didn’t read your post properly. I see this is a renewal. They’ll just be trying to ascertain that you’ve actually been doing the thing. Can you get your landowner to confirm that you regularly visit?
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W1LL
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My FEO recommended I kept a Shooting log on grant. I just got a notebook used the headings Date, Time of day, Location, Rifle Cal. and Ammo., Equipment (sticks, NV, thermal etc), Quarry, Result and Range. Quite comprehensive and probably overly professional.
I even recorded zeroing, practice and blank outings, recorded comments for example “Blank, Roe doe 80yards, No safe shot, insufficient backstop”. I kept photos of successful outings and targets too to cross reference against the book for honestly. I had my closed ticket opened up in the first year and variations after that took about a week. So if any one says it’s nonsense, I found it to be exactly the opposite.
I even recorded zeroing, practice and blank outings, recorded comments for example “Blank, Roe doe 80yards, No safe shot, insufficient backstop”. I kept photos of successful outings and targets too to cross reference against the book for honestly. I had my closed ticket opened up in the first year and variations after that took about a week. So if any one says it’s nonsense, I found it to be exactly the opposite.
I have 3 land permission that they have .
Nothing isn’t adding up here then.
If you have permissions then you have good reason, unless they have contacted your permission and been told you don’t get out.
Whatever your findings , It is nothing but whim from someone who likes to think they are able to legislate. ............. Utter tosh.
Sorry, but you're not making a lot of sense here. Can I clarify:
- You've had an open ticket for 10 years
- This is a renewal
- You have 3 permission slips to accompany your renewal
- Your local force is refusing to issue the renewed certificate (not revoking, just putting on "hold") until you provide a diary of usage
How are you supposed to show usage if you have no certificate (and therefore no access to firearms)? Are they lodged with a dealer?
timbrayford
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Home Office rules for target shooting, not applicable to live quarry shooting
The S1 requirement being leant on here is good reason to own. That is the land 'permission' - the ability to have somewhere to use the firearm. There is no metric at all on the amount of use. Stalking in Scotland once a year is reason to own.
By all means keep a jar of spent primers and suggest they are free to count them if they require as in indication of the use, but that is all it can be - an incidental indicator of use.
I sort of get having a firearm and not using it is a bit odd, but they do not have the right to assert lack of use as a negation of the good reason to own - the law simply does not cater for that.
timbrayford
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HO Guidance: 12.10 The land need not be owned or rented by the applicant, nor need they have regular or automatic access to it. Farmers and landowners may allow shooters to shoot on their land, for payment or otherwise, on a formal or informal basis. An applicant need not always nominate a piece of land as evidence of “good reason”, but in such cases the applicant may be required, where possible, to provide written evidence, for example from a relevant organisation, a professional pest controller, gamekeeper or of a booking to shoot.
Leec6.5
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Can I please ask who has asked you to do this?
Then ask them to highlight where in firearms guidelines it states that you have to do so.
That’s new one on me
Heym SR20
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The police under increasing pressure to ensure that FAC holders have good reason. So the police are quite rightly asking more detailed questions. The mandatory home office guidance tells the police that they should make rigorous enquiries and verify the information they are provided with.
Keeping a shooting diary and records of your culls etc is not a bad idea. Its a record of when you have been out, what you have seen, what you have shot. Quite useful when demonstrating to the landowner that you are actually managing the deer and putting the time in. And as numbers get lower you need to put more time for every deer that is shot.
And taking a copy of the relevant pages provides good written evidence to support a renewal. It answers the question.
Keeping a shooting diary and records of your culls etc is not a bad idea. Its a record of when you have been out, what you have seen, what you have shot. Quite useful when demonstrating to the landowner that you are actually managing the deer and putting the time in. And as numbers get lower you need to put more time for every deer that is shot.
And taking a copy of the relevant pages provides good written evidence to support a renewal. It answers the question.
Leec6.5
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that all very nice BUT where does it say in the guidelines that it had to be done?
Can you answer me that please.
I don't know any stalker or shooter of quarry / vermin that keeps a long of shots used and where . I think if we had to do this then it should be filed in the fiction section of the bookcase! Utterly pointless !
I wouldn’t waste your time I asked where it showed in the guidelines you had to show evidence of carcass prep and storage and still waiting ….. I think he just loves extra conditions and regulationsthat all very nice BUT where does it say in the guidelines that it had to be done?
Can you answer me that please.
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