Shooting record for permission.

[Leec6.5]

I wouldn’t waste your time I asked where it showed in the guidelines you had to show evidence of carcass prep and storage and still waiting ….. I think he just loves extra conditions and regulations

Sod that for a game of soldiers!

Not got time for that B/S got stuff to get on with

 

[Chris Richardson]

Sod that for a game of soldiers!

Not got time for that B/S got stuff to get on with

Yeah true some of us have deer to cull

 

[Leec6.5]

Yeah true some of us have deer to cull

Not in the summer bloody unsocial time of year!

summer is for fishing!

The culling starts when it starts to cool down. Then come November that’s when the graft starts

 

[Heym SR20]

that all very nice BUT where does it say in the guidelines that it had to be done?

Can you answer me that please.

The guidelines say they should make enquiries and ask lots of questions. Chapter 12 of the Guidelines states

“The guiding principle behind the requirement to have a “good reason” to possess, purchase or acquire firearms or ammunition, is that firearms are dangerous weapons and the state has a duty to protect the public from their misuse. In general, applicants should be able to demonstrate that they ‘use’ their firearm on a regular, legitimate basis for work, sport or leisure (including collections or research).”

Then it goes onto say:

“Apart from assessing fitness to possess firearms, “good reason” is one of the most substantial and complex areas of discretion that chief officers may exercise in licensing firearms.”

And further down

“12.4 Apart from having a “good reason” in principle, an applicant’s reasons for owning firearms should be genuine. Equally, any reason to refuse an application must be clearly justified and explained. Chief officers should exercise caution in dealing with cases where the applicant presents a nominal reason for possessing firearms without supporting evidence. The police will be expected to make reasonable inquiries to verify the applicant’s “good reason” for the possession of firearms.”


Please do note where it says the “applicant presents a nominal reason for possessing firearms but without the supporting evidence”

So evidence such as letters of permission, details of premises and facilities along with stalking records, cull returns etc etc all go along to provide such supporting evidence of the need for possession. There is no definitive list, nor is there a list of questions which they cannot ask.

If you cannot demonstrate nor provide supporting evidence to support your application or renewal, or decide that the police have no right to ask such questions, they have the right to decide that you haven’t met the threshold required.

The threshold is no much higher than it used to be. Yes, this is thanks in part to poor decisions made by some constabularies, but any FAC decision is likely to be subject to independent scrutiny. Independent scrutiny will be there to determine whether or not the Police have asked the appropriate questions.

So if a rifle has been granted for Deer stalking - where is the supporting evidence?

 

[Leec6.5]

The guidelines say they should make enquiries and ask lots of questions. Chapter 12 of the Guidelines states

“The guiding principle behind the requirement to have a “good reason” to possess, purchase or acquire firearms or ammunition, is that firearms are dangerous weapons and the state has a duty to protect the public from their misuse. In general, applicants should be able to demonstrate that they ‘use’ their firearm on a regular, legitimate basis for work, sport or leisure (including collections or research).”

Then it goes onto say:

“Apart from assessing fitness to possess firearms, “good reason” is one of the most substantial and complex areas of discretion that chief officers may exercise in licensing firearms.”

And further down

“12.4 Apart from having a “good reason” in principle, an applicant’s reasons for owning firearms should be genuine. Equally, any reason to refuse an application must be clearly justified and explained. Chief officers should exercise caution in dealing with cases where the applicant presents a nominal reason for possessing firearms without supporting evidence. The police will be expected to make reasonable inquiries to verify the applicant’s “good reason” for the possession of firearms.”


Please do note where it says the “applicant presents a nominal reason for possessing firearms but without the supporting evidence”

So evidence such as letters of permission, details of premises and facilities along with stalking records, cull returns etc etc all go along to provide such supporting evidence of the need for possession. There is no definitive list, nor is there a list of questions which they cannot ask.

If you cannot demonstrate nor provide supporting evidence to support your application or renewal, or decide that the police have no right to ask such questions, they have the right to decide that you haven’t met the threshold required.

The threshold is no much higher than it used to be. Yes, this is thanks in part to poor decisions made by some constabularies, but any FAC decision is likely to be subject to independent scrutiny. Independent scrutiny will be there to determine whether or not the Police have asked the appropriate questions.

So if a rifle has been granted for Deer stalking - where is the supporting evidence?

It’s a bloody good job I don’t have to justify myself, my FEO would get told something

 

[Heym SR20]

It’s a bloody good job I don’t have to justify myself, my FEO would get told something

And that approach would help you how???

 

[Alexltw]

I have 3 land permission that they have .

It’s a bloody good job I don’t have to justify myself, my FEO would get told something

thankyou will sort my stalking and vermin record

 

[Leec6.5]

And that approach would help you how???

I would simply bore him with pictures of dead deer hanging in my larder end of subject!

The larder is on from September to April 24/7 half a dozen Norfolk reds hanging around should solve any issues

 

[Leec6.5]

thankyou will sort my stalking and vermin record

If you have 3 farms with written permission, just txt the farmer before you go stating what time you plan to arrive and leave as far as I’m concerned that would be end of subject

To add I would also take a pic of what you have shot for that outing that should iron out any creases

 

[Heym SR20]

I would simply bore him with pictures of dead deer hanging in my larder end of subject!

The larder is on from September to April 24/7 half a dozen Norfolk reds hanging around should solve any issues

Pretty much what I do as well.

I was part of a syndicate for a number of years with lease on a few thousand acres of Caithness forestry. Part of the terms of the syndicate membership and lease was providing a report on each outing including approx numbers of deer seen and where, and deer shot and any missed deer.

Nowadays on my current permissions I txt before I go out, and txt what I have seen and shot afterwards.

I would have no issue showing these at an interview with my FEO if required.

 

[Tim.243]

And that approach would help you how???

Easy @Norfolk Deer Search
We must get a few more for the whingers this season Lee

 

[25 Sharps]

The guidelines say they should make enquiries and ask lots of questions. Chapter 12 of the Guidelines states

“The guiding principle behind the requirement to have a “good reason” to possess, purchase or acquire firearms or ammunition, is that firearms are dangerous weapons and the state has a duty to protect the public from their misuse. In general, applicants should be able to demonstrate that they ‘use’ their firearm on a regular, legitimate basis for work, sport or leisure (including collections or research).”

Then it goes onto say:

“Apart from assessing fitness to possess firearms, “good reason” is one of the most substantial and complex areas of discretion that chief officers may exercise in licensing firearms.”

And further down

“12.4 Apart from having a “good reason” in principle, an applicant’s reasons for owning firearms should be genuine. Equally, any reason to refuse an application must be clearly justified and explained. Chief officers should exercise caution in dealing with cases where the applicant presents a nominal reason for possessing firearms without supporting evidence. The police will be expected to make reasonable inquiries to verify the applicant’s “good reason” for the possession of firearms.”


Please do note where it says the “applicant presents a nominal reason for possessing firearms but without the supporting evidence”

So evidence such as letters of permission, details of premises and facilities along with stalking records, cull returns etc etc all go along to provide such supporting evidence of the need for possession. There is no definitive list, nor is there a list of questions which they cannot ask.

If you cannot demonstrate nor provide supporting evidence to support your application or renewal, or decide that the police have no right to ask such questions, they have the right to decide that you haven’t met the threshold required.

The threshold is no much higher than it used to be. Yes, this is thanks in part to poor decisions made by some constabularies, but any FAC decision is likely to be subject to independent scrutiny. Independent scrutiny will be there to determine whether or not the Police have asked the appropriate questions.

So if a rifle has been granted for Deer stalking - where is the supporting evidence?

The three permission slips the police already have?

 

[Chris Richardson]

Not in the summer bloody unsocial time of year!

summer is for fishing!

The culling starts when it starts to cool down. Then come November that’s when the graft starts

Sadly I’ve a lot of munties and roe so it never stops for me I need to do more fishing though I only got 4 times last year

 

[25 Sharps]

thankyou will sort my stalking and vermin record

You’re still not made it clear why the permission slips are not enough, they should be!

 

[Chris Richardson]

Pretty much what I do as well.

I was part of a syndicate for a number of years with lease on a few thousand acres of Caithness forestry. Part of the terms of the syndicate membership and lease was providing a report on each outing including approx numbers of deer seen and where, and deer shot and any missed deer.

Nowadays on my current permissions I txt before I go out, and txt what I have seen and shot afterwards.

I would have no issue showing these at an interview with my FEO if required.

But it’s not required is it that’s the point

 

[AGR]

The guidelines say they should make enquiries and ask lots of questions. Chapter 12 of the Guidelines states

“The guiding principle behind the requirement to have a “good reason” to possess, purchase or acquire firearms or ammunition, is that firearms are dangerous weapons and the state has a duty to protect the public from their misuse. In general, applicants should be able to demonstrate that they ‘use’ their firearm on a regular, legitimate basis for work, sport or leisure (including collections or research).”

Then it goes onto say:

“Apart from assessing fitness to possess firearms, “good reason” is one of the most substantial and complex areas of discretion that chief officers may exercise in licensing firearms.”

And further down

“12.4 Apart from having a “good reason” in principle, an applicant’s reasons for owning firearms should be genuine. Equally, any reason to refuse an application must be clearly justified and explained. Chief officers should exercise caution in dealing with cases where the applicant presents a nominal reason for possessing firearms without supporting evidence. The police will be expected to make reasonable inquiries to verify the applicant’s “good reason” for the possession of firearms.”


Please do note where it says the “applicant presents a nominal reason for possessing firearms but without the supporting evidence”

So evidence such as letters of permission, details of premises and facilities along with stalking records, cull returns etc etc all go along to provide such supporting evidence of the need for possession. There is no definitive list, nor is there a list of questions which they cannot ask.

If you cannot demonstrate nor provide supporting evidence to support your application or renewal, or decide that the police have no right to ask such questions, they have the right to decide that you haven’t met the threshold required.

The threshold is no much higher than it used to be. Yes, this is thanks in part to poor decisions made by some constabularies, but any FAC decision is likely to be subject to independent scrutiny. Independent scrutiny will be there to determine whether or not the Police have asked the appropriate questions.

So if a rifle has been granted for Deer stalking - where is the supporting evidence?

The police in Scotland are more thorough in investigating permissions and references. I've not seen an FEO for years and know others in different forces with the same experience.

 

[Crowlcat]

Write what ever the >>>> you want how the hell will he know its cobblers

 

[disco_ike]

Hi,
My 2p……. I have always kept a note in my phone diary when I go out on which patches. A so I can easily log what I see/shoot and B so I can see how often I have been up to permissions should the owners want to confirm when I was there when I want to extend it. Being able to show I have been up there has helped as some guy tried to grab the land off me claiming I was never there.

 

[Chris Richardson]

Hi,
My 2p……. I have always kept a note in my phone diary when I go out on which patches. A so I can easily log what I see/shoot and B so I can see how often I have been up to permissions should the owners want to confirm when I was there when I want to extend it. Being able to show I have been up there has helped as some guy tried to grab the land off me claiming I was never there.

I get that but the issue is FEOs making up rules as and when they like

 

[Chris Richardson]

And that approach would help you how???

By not kowtowing to made up rules by FEOs that don’t follow the HO guidelines