Should shotgun and firearm certificates be on the accepted list of photo IDs for elections?

[Dunwaters]

@nic531

Nor should it be.


I always wore a waistcoat at work.

It was, I think, a throwback to my medical days - it kept your tie out of the patient's face.

One very senior officer used to refer to me as "Rupert" (I have had worse) because my waistcoats were colourful.

For about the last five years of my service, I had this tucked over my photo ID. I was never challenged once...



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A colleague of mine taped a photo of Cindy Crawford onto his ID.




It worked fine, right up to the day Bill Clinton called, then it didn’t and explanations were called for.

As an aside, I’m really puzzled as to why so many of you feel the need to keep your firearms ownership a deep dark secret.
Whats the risk?
If a real risk existed the insurance companies would be on to it by now, would they not?

 

[Apthorpe]

No. Nobody should want to show their certificate to anybody for any reason other than a RFD or police officer for firearms related reasons.

Poor security. What's the point of locking your guns up and taking care to prevent other family members playing with them if you're going to advertise to unvetted people the fact that you keep guns at the address you're showing them?

 

[kenbro]

I have no photo ID, apart from my FAC, but I wouldn't show that anyone.

Must be awkward when you go to buy certain things from gun shops?
Kb.

 

[Dickie]

Perhaps it would be a good thing, it’s your choice whether to use it or not but it might start the thinking of a driving licence size card FAC being bought up.

 

[purdeydog]

No. No need at all.

 

[VSS]

No,

I doubt there will be anyone that will:
A. Not have a driving licence or passport. But,
B. Have a FAC.

So why would anyone want to spend manhours on something that doesn't chancecto outcome.

And as Jeff said. Why braodcast that you have an FAC.

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From previous threads on this subject, you'll find that there are a number of us (myself included) who do not have either a passport or a photo driving licence, but do have a FAC.

 

[Pedro]

Frankly, I've got to wonder about someone wanting to flash their firearm/shotgun certificates in a public arena where people are looking up your address on the voter's register. Even if it were an accepted form of identity, that's not something I'd be keen to do. The risks might be small, but if you want risk, go skydiving or something.

 

[Pedro]

From previous threads on this subject, you'll find that there are a number of us (myself included) who do not have either a passport or a photo driving licence, but do have a FAC.

Noted. So I guess you can't vote now unless you get one or the other.

 

[Number8]

The photo reproduced on my FAC makes me look as if I should be helping Bilbo Baggins navigate the halls of Khazad-dûm in the Mines of Moria - so it's a "no" from me.

 

[WalkedUp]

The photo reproduced on my FAC makes me look as if I should be helping Bilbo Baggins navigate the halls of Khazad-dûm in the Mines of Moria - so it's a "no" from me.

I made sure to use a picture in which I look particularly dashing, same as for my son looking lovely in his. Each season I have to review certificates for members on the shoot, a ridiculous requirement that I am against, but Christ you should see some of the pictures they have chosen for themselves… they clearly haven’t understood ‘pretty privilege’.

Long story but I have used my FAC as ID, including when challenged for being under 18 when buying fireworks with my three sons. The cashier accepted it with a “thank you officer” so there are some issues in terms of lack of familiarity with it.

Finally, I am morally opposed to the requirement to present photographic ID to vote as it is a dog-whistle, preying upon paranoia rather than an actual issue. However I am also not fussed about people knowing that I shoot, we seem to be a weirdly secretive bunch. What do we have to hide?

 

[Stalker62]

What do we have to hide?

The fact that we have firearms, and the address they are stored at.

 

[ion]

In Ireland, having completed a partially prepopulated renewal form ( Which invariably contains errors, despite corrections being addedcst the previous renewal) you are then issued with an approval / request for payment. Each cert requires a separate sheet. I went to the post office counter, having folded over 4 sheets so that only the QR code was visible. PO person unfolded the sheets. " I need to see your name and address [ Bollocks, you dont!] That's a lot of guns [Actually that's none of your business!]"
I did in fact remain silent
I suppose it's an improvement on going into the barracks in the old days, and being given a pile of hand written certs to go through to find my own.

 

[Moose67]

as yet, our printed FACs aren't fully standardised across Forces and the paper document doesn't have the same levels of anti-fraud / faking which a passport, bank card or driving license has built in

 

[VSS]

as yet, our printed FACs aren't fully standardised across Forces and the paper document doesn't have the same levels of anti-fraud / faking which a passport, bank card or driving license has built in

If you photocopy a FAC it comes out with the word "fraud" in big letters diagonally across it, so there's clearly some measures built in.

 

[Moose67]

If you photocopy a FAC it comes out with the word "fraud" in big letters diagonally across it, so there's clearly some measures built in.

interesting - just tested mine and it doesn't do that
maybe my printer/scanner isn't quite as powerful as a proper photocopier to trigger it

 

[VSS]

interesting - just tested mine and it doesn't do that
maybe my printer/scanner isn't quite as powerful as a proper photocopier to trigger it

This is a scanned and printed page from my FAC.
You can see the word "fraud" as a watermark in big letters across the bottom of the page.

(Not diagonally across the middle. I clearly misremembered that detail!)

 

[Hornet]

Yes, they should.
It's ridiculous that a document with your photo, name, address, date of birth, signature, and signature of Chief Office of Police should not be recognised as an official form of ID.
My FAC is the only form of photo ID that I have, and it has been accepted everywhere I've used it, except to vote.

Quite agree,it's my only form of photo ID currently, as stated, it's acceptable everywhere, except at a poling station.

 

[DesG]

This is a scanned and printed page from my FAC.
You can see the word "fraud" as a watermark in big letters across the bottom of the page.
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(Not diagonally across the middle. I clearly misremembered that detail!)

Mine doesn't. I feel short changed now!

 

[timbrayford]

Should or will?

 

[Heym SR20]

I don’t see an issue if somebody knows that I have a firearms certificate and that I enjoy and partake in hunting and shooting activities. In particular in deer Management I am saving the planet according to the re wilding brigade.

My guns in a secure location locked up etc, and to Police approved standards. If somebody decides my property the committing a criminal offence. If they take my guns then they are breaching firearms legislation withunlawful possession of firearms which adds another layer of criminality and tarriff when caught.

An FAC / SC should be seen as a short cut that I am of goodly charachter etc.