So now that we have completely left the EU...

[dartmoordog]

Mike, this is going to be a bit of a long one, & OTT, but probably needs clarification, otherwise folks may think I'm some vegan animal rights person & look for ways to bash me, so here goes. I am a farmer, & as such, a custodian of the land & I am responsible therefore of the welfare for the creatures that I share it with. I don't shoot mallard, grey partridges or hares anymore, they have declined hugely to predation over the last few years. Don't shoot tame pheasants either This farm has had a permeant resident population of about 5 Roe does, 1 fine buck, plus a few non resident travellers. The travellers & offspring keep me in venison for the winter, but I always try to keep 5-7 does on the place. I have Chinese Water deer & Muntjac they are just good food & culled hard. We have a travelling herd of 30 -60 red deer, which pass through the farm as regularly as clockwork when the clocks go forward & back. Reds don't interest me very much, I find the meat almost indigestable, they are only here for a short time. I only kill what I eat, but I understand the problems all too well with deer overpopulation. Two years ago the neighbouring farmer gave permission to a so called professional deer culler. The first thing he did was to install a high seat 180 yards from my boundary, the the slaughter started. Every day. And now I have 1 doe left, the fine buck has gone, the shooting continues. I pulled the farmer up about it, mindful of the fact that what he was doing was perfectly legal, & within his rights, he said they were on his land & could do what he likes. I told him he was depriving me of an important food source, he said I could buy one off him. I accept that everyone farms for different reasons, he farms for money, I farm for lifestyle. But what he doesn't understand are the repercussions of his actions, next year I will install a feed hopper 180yds from the wood he releases his pheasants in, sit in my truck with a silenced .22 & remove every single pheasant from his wood, leaving him just one. Meanwhile the doe that was left gave birth to twins, both females, I immediately removed every fox from the area to safeguard them. They are now half grown still with mother, & everyday I open the curtains of my bedroom, I see them standing on the lawn. It fills my heart with joy. So in answer to your questions, No, I won't be shooting does or bucks in the immediate future. Thanks for your interest.
PS to bring this back on subject, maybe we should all be aware of the problems that lead up to Brexit & continue after, & the repercussions of our actions. Peace. FG.

Stuff Brexit, I am well over it and BBs repetitive sh*te, so I have read your post. You will shoot Pheasants on HIS land with a rifle! Firstly illegal, secondly if it were my good,keeper, friends land, you would be having a little word in your shell like, thirdly, you must be a bloody good to shoot them all and just leave one.

Removing every fox in your area is, most certainly, something I have not heard of before, I am more than a little impressed. A good friend of mine, full time stalker and pest control, has shot more foxes this month than days gone in the month, I went out today for a mooch around and within 15 minutes, messaged him about a big dog I was watching. Sorry mate, but you will not remove every fox in your area, shoot ten one week, and that ground is taken up by other Foxes pretty quickly. Filling that vacuum.

Now onto deer. OK, I fully admit that where I live has huge numbers of deer, ridiculous numbers, Red, Roe and Fallow. I used to stalk a lovely little edge of the Moor estate, the odd Red, but mainly Roe, lots of Roe, I would shoot what stood still long enough, in season of course, and very rarely went out without shooting a deer or two, twice a week. The numbers never seemed to go down, again, filling the vacuum. They just keep coming. I fail to see how you are being deprived of food, Deer move around........A lot!

 

[User00036]

ok, so this is turning into try & find flaws in this mans integrity Brexit thread is it? Out of politeness I will carry on answering your questions.
Firstly you are correct, it is illegal to shoot someones pheasants on their land with a rifle. I never said that was what I was going to do, but it is not illegal to shoot pheasants on my own land with a rifle.
Yes I am a bloody good shot with a rifle, my father who served in the second world war taught me when I was 7 years old how to use a rifle, but more importantly gun safety.. not so good with a shotgun.
I won the Game Conservancy rifle shoot competition at the army range, judged by the attendant Colonel, competition was hot, keepers from Sandringham, Holkham, Elveden Estates all present. Forgot to put 4 bullets in my magazine, & still beat the other guy in the final with 3 bullets to his 4
Agree with you about filling a vacuum. But you are forgetting one thing, Foxes are territorial. The territory of a pair of adult foxes is about 1 sq kilometre. So on an area of my farm (1sq k) there may be 1 resident pair, plus another overlapping 4 pairs, making & total of ten foxes in the immediate vicinity. Killing foxes & cubs in Winter & Autumn does very little to the local fox population although it may help with protecting pheasant poults, a lot of foxes are transient at this time of year, especially young dog pups that will be forced out of the area by the vixen. If you leave fox control till the spring, after foxes have paired up & become territorial, the vixens are pregnant, digging earths, & are aggressive to other foxes, then the chances are that the vacuum left by killing the residents will not be filled as quickly, as other foxes will have established territories as well. This is not my idea, I have talked at length with Dick Potts, (chairman GCT) Phil Thompson Science & Field manager GCT, Malcolm Brockless (head keeper GCT) on this subject, & it is a result of scientific research.
Agreed you will be shooting a lot of foxes this time of year, dog foxes travel from miles away to get to a vixen in season. I shot 2 last night.
Lastly you are a lucky man to have so many deer around, I reckon with the Chinese Water Deer, Roe are the best eating. But in my neck of the woods the vacuum has not been filled, the numbers are down, so deer aren't travelling, & the Roe in my garden never seem to go further than 400 yards.
One last thing on foxes, I studied them for the last 45 years, I learnt how to get rid of them too!
Come on man, for gods sake get off my case & gimme a break will you!

 

[Heym SR20]

And here are today’s little glimmers (not) towards the Sunlit uplands from the lefty whinging commie whatever. Of course this won’t have any effect on those who voted for Brexit.

First Mastercard ramping up fees on cards used for Euro payments for online shoppers

Mastercard to raise fees by at least 400% for EU firms selling to UK customers

Change from October could lead to higher prices for those paying with UK-issued cards

www.theguardian.com

But much more importantly EU will restrict the export of Astra Zeneca vaccines that it has already paid for.

UK has limited vaccine production capacity, it is building more but they won’t be online till mid / late 2021. All early production is in Netherlands and Germany. EU has paid for large volumes of vaccines, funded quite a bit of the development, so they are threatening to limit exports to non EU countries.

And isn’t the Biontec vaccine made in Belgium?

EU threatens to block Covid vaccine exports amid AstraZeneca shortfall

Bloc may receive only half of purchased 100m doses in first quarter of the year

www.theguardian.com

 

[Heym SR20]

So British Government rushed through MHRA approval for the vaccines. There is some manufacturing capacity in the UK at Oxford Biomedica but according to this government website, much of our vaccine capacity is still to be built / come on line, hence our reliance on Vaccine sourced from overseas in particular Europe.

Manufacturing COVID-19 vaccines - POST

What is the UK Government doing to accelerate vaccine manufacture and why is manufacturing vaccines at large scales so challenging?

post.parliament.uk

Is this perhaps why the Government is advocating just a single dose of vaccine and that it doesn’t really matter if we wait six to 12 to 24 months before you get second dose.

Boris et al have been very clear that they are counting the first dose, not those fully vaccinated.

One could be forgiven in thinking that knew all along that supply will be restricted. Indeed we have the ability to restrict “strategic exports” and if the volume manufacture was in the UK and we were exporting ahead of our own population there would be a few rumblings.

 

[Drum123]

So British Government rushed through MHRA approval for the vaccines. There is some manufacturing capacity in the UK at Oxford Biomedica but according to this government website, much of our vaccine capacity is still to be built / come on line, hence our reliance on Vaccine sourced from overseas in particular Europe.

Manufacturing COVID-19 vaccines - POST

What is the UK Government doing to accelerate vaccine manufacture and why is manufacturing vaccines at large scales so challenging?

post.parliament.uk

Is this perhaps why the Government is advocating just a single dose of vaccine and that it doesn’t really matter if we wait six to 12 to 24 months before you get second dose.

Boris et al have been very clear that they are counting the first dose, not those fully vaccinated.

One could be forgiven in thinking that knew all along that supply will be restricted. Indeed we have the ability to restrict “strategic exports” and if the volume manufacture was in the UK and we were exporting ahead of our own population there would be a few rumblings.

Are you actually gloating that people in the uk wont get vacine now because of the eu's actions?

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Stuff Brexit, I am well over it and BBs repetitive sh*te, so I have read your post. You will shoot Pheasants on HIS land with a rifle! Firstly illegal, secondly if it were my good,keeper, friends land, you would be having a little word in your shell like, thirdly, you must be a bloody good to shoot them all and just leave one.

Removing every fox in your area is, most certainly, something I have not heard of before, I am more than a little impressed. A good friend of mine, full time stalker and pest control, has shot more foxes this month than days gone in the month, I went out today for a mooch around and within 15 minutes, messaged him about a big dog I was watching. Sorry mate, but you will not remove every fox in your area, shoot ten one week, and that ground is taken up by other Foxes pretty quickly. Filling that vacuum.

Now onto deer. OK, I fully admit that where I live has huge numbers of deer, ridiculous numbers, Red, Roe and Fallow. I used to stalk a lovely little edge of the Moor estate, the odd Red, but mainly Roe, lots of Roe, I would shoot what stood still long enough, in season of course, and very rarely went out without shooting a deer or two, twice a week. The numbers never seemed to go down, again, filling the vacuum. They just keep coming. I fail to see how you are being deprived of food, Deer move around........A lot!

Hope the eyes are well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[plonker]

So British Government rushed through MHRA approval for the vaccines. There is some manufacturing capacity in the UK at Oxford Biomedica but according to this government website, much of our vaccine capacity is still to be built / come on line, hence our reliance on Vaccine sourced from overseas in particular Europe.

Manufacturing COVID-19 vaccines - POST

What is the UK Government doing to accelerate vaccine manufacture and why is manufacturing vaccines at large scales so challenging?

post.parliament.uk

Is this perhaps why the Government is advocating just a single dose of vaccine and that it doesn’t really matter if we wait six to 12 to 24 months before you get second dose.

Boris et al have been very clear that they are counting the first dose, not those fully vaccinated.

One could be forgiven in thinking that knew all along that supply will be restricted. Indeed we have the ability to restrict “strategic exports” and if the volume manufacture was in the UK and we were exporting ahead of our own population there would be a few rumblings.

As far as im aware there is 2 plants in the uk making the astrazeneka vaccine and only 1 in europe?

 

[Foxyboy43]

Some detail on this now ...

The Guardian
Miles Brignall Thu 21 Jan 2021

EU website purchases: the import charges UK customers have to pay

Consumers now face UK VAT, as well as customs duty and courier admin charges
Before Brexit, UK consumers were free to buy items from anywhere in the EU without incurring import duties and other charges. That all changed on 1 January 2021.

Online orders up to £135 are now supposed to have the UK’s prevailing VAT rate added at the point of sale by the EU retailer, which has to have registered with HM Revenue & Customs. Lots of smaller EU-based retailers have decided that the paperwork of collecting UK VAT is not worth the hassle and as a result will no longer supply UK consumers.

Other EU retailers appear to have carried on as before, and have been sending out orders without having deducted the VAT. This has led to couriers turning up on doorsteps demanding the UK buyer pay the VAT owed on the item they are receiving. The rate will be between 0% and 20% depending on the item.

Items below £135 bought through the big online marketplaces such as Amazon will have had UK VAT added and therefore can be delivered in the UK with no extra charges demanded

For orders above £135 it is more complicated as they also attract import duty, which can range from 0% to 25% of the item’s value depending on what it is, what material it is made from and its declared value. There are thousands of different rates of duty and the system is difficult to navigate. Clothes typically attract a 12% customs duty, but it’s hard to generalise.

VAT is then added to the total – at the prevailing UK rate, which for most adult items is 20%. The couriers also add their admin charge of between £8 (Royal Mail) and £11.50 (UPS), or 2.5% of the amount paid to clear customs, with a minimum charge of £11 (DHL).

For example, a £200 coat bought from a German website could attract 12% or £24 customs duty. VAT at 20% is then applied to the total of £224, giving a VAT bill of £44.80. Once the courier has added its £11.50 admin fee, the UK consumer must pay £80.30 to the courier on the doorstep before it will hand over the item – adding around 40% to the coat’s price.

Fascinating (and moderately depressing) stuff, thank you. Soooo presumably someone living in Neverland (aka Northern Ireland) buying the same coat, hob, model car or say (ahem!) a replacement stock would not incur most, if any, of these charges? And if so and they chose to, they could post said coat etc to their (recently new) best friend in Borisland?

 

[Drum123]

As far as im aware there is 2 plants in the uk making the astrazeneka vaccine and only 1 in europe?

I believe there are 3 plants in the uk producing it.

 

[Foxyboy43]

PS
for a small consideration, of course.

 

[Heym SR20]

Fascinating (and moderately depressing) stuff, thank you. Soooo presumably someone living in Neverland (aka Northern Ireland) buying the same coat, hob, model car or say (ahem!) a replacement stock would not incur most, if any, of these charges? And if so and they chose to, they could post said coat etc to their (recently new) best friend in Borisland?

Yes they could but it should be sent as a gift and must be valued at under about £130, otherwise you incure VaT bill at customs. The customs border is down the Irish sea.

 

[Foxyboy43]

Yes they could but it should be sent as a gift and must be valued at under about £130, otherwise you incure VaT bill at customs. The customs border is down the Irish sea.

Precisely! So the almost forgotten days of smuggling of butter, bacon, red diesel etc., across the irish border may just return - big time, as presents only of course!
Now let me see, the Acme Presents Company, Presents are Us, Tariffs No More, Bags sans Frontieres - need something with a certain cache.........
Watch this space!

 

[Bavarianbrit]

My mother lived in Newry and was often controlled at the border in the 1930"s when buying these.
My grandmother told me often about the black & tans taking 5 brothers out of a house on her street and shooting them all must have been 1920ish, it left her traumatised for the rest of her life.

 

[Liveonce]

Yes they could but it should be sent as a gift and must be valued at under about £130, otherwise you incure VaT bill at customs. The customs border is down the Irish sea.

Think gifts are much less than that in value think around £35 hopefully somebody will know the exact figure.

 

[Heym SR20]

As far as im aware there is 2 plants in the uk making the astrazeneka vaccine and only 1 in europe?

There may be but it seems as if we are very reliant upon imported Vaccine. British Biotech, I remember from the Panorama Programme had the capacity to do clinical trials volumes, and then some production, but the rest of the capacity needs building.

If we were producing sufficient for our needs then there would no Tory MPs / Ministers getting very vexed about those nasty Europeans keeping vaccines for EU populations

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[Fair Hill]

There may be but it seems as if we are very reliant upon imported Vaccine. British Biotech, I remember from the Panorama Programme had the capacity to do clinical trials volumes, and then some production, but the rest of the capacity needs building.

If we were producing sufficient for our needs then there would no Tory MPs / Ministers getting very vexed about those nasty Europeans keeping vaccines for EU populations

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Shock headline.........."Union tries to protect its members!"

 

[Foxyboy43]

I feel a reciprocal arrangement coming on whereby someone living in Borisland could have goods sent to me which suppliers won’t send to NI and I in turn could source goods for them in Disneyland aka EU cheaper than they could buy direct.

 

[thorneyglatt]

Blimey, is this thread still rumbling along ?! - Though on second thoughts, I suppose there's something to be said for a bit of continuity amid all the changes and chances of the present time !

 

[plonker]

There may be but it seems as if we are very reliant upon imported Vaccine. British Biotech, I remember from the Panorama Programme had the capacity to do clinical trials volumes, and then some production, but the rest of the capacity needs building.

If we were producing sufficient for our needs then there would no Tory MPs / Ministers getting very vexed about those nasty Europeans keeping vaccines for EU populations

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Thought this was more to do with the Pfizer vaccine produced in europe?

 

[Apthorpe]

And here are today’s little glimmers (not) towards the Sunlit uplands from the lefty whinging commie whatever. Of course this won’t have any effect on those who voted for Brexit.

First Mastercard ramping up fees on cards used for Euro payments for online shoppers

Mastercard to raise fees by at least 400% for EU firms selling to UK customers

Change from October could lead to higher prices for those paying with UK-issued cards

www.theguardian.com

But much more importantly EU will restrict the export of Astra Zeneca vaccines that it has already paid for.

UK has limited vaccine production capacity, it is building more but they won’t be online till mid / late 2021. All early production is in Netherlands and Germany. EU has paid for large volumes of vaccines, funded quite a bit of the development, so they are threatening to limit exports to non EU countries.

And isn’t the Biontec vaccine made in Belgium?

EU threatens to block Covid vaccine exports amid AstraZeneca shortfall

Bloc may receive only half of purchased 100m doses in first quarter of the year

www.theguardian.com

So the first one, essentially makes EU vendors less competitive with UK vendors. Not sure many UK vendors will see that as a bad thing. It will also potentially impinge on accounting policies of large firms e.g. Amazon potentially bringing more of their tax liability into the UK rather than e.g. Netherlands. Again, not clearly a bad thing for taxpayers.

The Second: what a surprise that the EU is throwing an infantile fit about not having supplies of vaccine which it has been too incompetent to order first, and has still not even approved for use. I think the typical elderly UK resident is glad they're not in the EU, where on their own best estimates of supply, they are already at least three months behind the UK in vaccinating. The degree of ethical repugnancy of the EU's actions here are also concerning. The civilised world (i.e. outside Trump's office) has hitherto been pretty unanimous that export controls on medicines are morally wrong.Whether one would prefer to inside a tentful of people behaving that way, or outside is a matter for one's own conscience.

Try as one might, it's hard to see these as negative consequences of Brexit.