So . . . .

[Hornet 6]

I think with an almost hung vote with only 4% in it there is a fair reason for an open dialogue about something that will affect the UK as much as WWII did in monetary terms.
And not ha ha our team won "so there" retoric that has been jangled about. Leave or stay, most of them do care what happens for the countries future.

Almost hung, is not hung, a majority is a majority, stop splitting hairs.

Neil.

 

[User00014]

Olaf are you serious, try reading a newspaper with my eyes using any led lightbulb you like and you will realise they are not as good as filament. Now to another of your questions, thank to the EU half the site members cannot buy their powder of choice. I cannot fish, shoot they way I want due to EU law, I cannot protect my livestock due to EU law I could go on and on. The EU is a parasite that will destroy European independent countries like Poland without them realising it till its to late all for the betterment of countries like Germany.

What makes you think the laws are going to change?

Parliament might as sod it, we will leave the laws as they are!

 

[jimmy milnes]

What makes you think the laws are going to change?

Parliament might as sod it, we will leave the laws as they are!

One minute your saying the world is to end cause it won't be as easy to take ya dog to the continent, next ya saying laws may not change !!!

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Almost hung, is not hung, a majority is a majority, stop splitting hairs.

Neil.

OK a close run race then.

 

[deeangeo]

And there was a vote in 1973 and a vote, in Parliament, over Maastricht when Mrs Thatcher or John Major was Prime Minister in 1990 whatever and some. It's odd how the leavers have been happy never to accept those democratic decisions as final yet, now, all of sudden they want everybody else to accept the 2016 vote as final. You can't have it both ways. The likes of Farage have never accepted the democratic choices made in Parliament regarding the EU and if the Referendum had delivered a Remain vote in 2016 he wouldn't have accepted that either.

The only vote given to the population was for entry to the Common Market, which for trade purposes was sensible.
All other voting was parliamentary and not necessarilly favoured by the public as a whole.
But we the people were not to be asked about such matters....are we considered too thick to understand?

Democratic decisions made in the Commons are not always supported by the UK population and it was not until 2016 the public’s voice was allowed to be heard.
The majority vote taken then (2016) is to leave the EU.
That’s it. It’s not a hung vote, leave is the majority vote.

 

[reiver]

OK a close run race then.

In which the leave vote won

 

[Klenchblaize]

Only 17 days to go!

K

 

[deeangeo]

Only 17 days to go!K

Unless TM puts the mockers on it agian ....

 

[Klenchblaize]

Unless TM puts the mockers on it agian ....

She won't as now confident of pushing the deal over the line by a percentage vote margin commensurate with the referendum result. The irony of which does not escape me.

Of course I could be wrong!

K

 

[Bavarianbrit]

Other than ALL my income & pension that is derived from the UK being turned into far fewer Euro"s per month it will have no other effect on me.
But yes the 52% leavers vote has already affected me in monetary terms that"s why I write on here.
I hope 52%ers do not begin moaning about any price rises after March.
BB

 

[AN DU RU FOX]

anything shooting/fishing price wise never decreases anyway.

 

[levigsp]

And there was a vote in 1973 and a vote, in Parliament, over Maastricht when Mrs Thatcher or John Major was Prime Minister in 1990 whatever and some. It's odd how the leavers have been happy never to accept those democratic decisions as final yet, now, all of sudden they want everybody else to accept the 2016 vote as final. You can't have it both ways. The likes of Farage have never accepted the democratic choices made in Parliament regarding the EU and if the Referendum had delivered a Remain vote in 2016 he wouldn't have accepted that either.

The Vote in 73 was to join the common market[how did you vote?] and as for the Maastricht treaty of the European union! if you remember right WE the voters never got a referendum even though we asked for it and it caused a lot of political unrest both here and in other countries. The reason we were never given a referendum was that they, the 3 major political parties knew we would vote no! I find it quite sad that our so called leaders were prepared to give a countries sovereign powers away for a few shekels in their own pockets and the blind sheep[public] allowed them to do it, something millions died for. I have my feet planted in two countries [UK and Poland] both a good few years apart in everything they do and that includes the EU, Poland is following in the UKs footsteps and already good business people are getting fed up with the EU, yes they love the money they receive from us! but they dislike being told what they can do!. Now before I really start and give myself a heart attack, I think Ill leave it at that.

 

[bowji john]

The Vote in 73 was to join the common market[how did you vote?] and as for the Maastricht treaty of the European union! if you remember right WE the voters never got a referendum even though we asked for it and it caused a lot of political unrest both here and in other countries. The reason we were never given a referendum was that they, the 3 major political parties knew we would vote no! I find it quite sad that our so called leaders were prepared to give a countries sovereign powers away for a few shekels in their own pockets and the blind sheep[public] allowed them to do it, something millions died for. I have my feet planted in two countries [UK and Poland] both a good few years apart in everything they do and that includes the EU, Poland is following in the UKs footsteps and already good business people are getting fed up with the EU, yes they love the money they receive from us! but they dislike being told what they can do!. Now before I really start and give myself a heart attack, I think Ill leave it at that.

If George Friedman is correct - the new military and economic interest the US has in Poland (and Romania) might suggest that the so called EU will become increasing irrelevant to Poland - both in terms of economics and security

Further....

If he is correct, there is a fair to middling chance that this thread might outlive the EU

 

[Chasey]

Olaf are you serious, try reading a newspaper with my eyes using any led lightbulb you like and you will realise they are not as good as filament. Now to another of your questions, thank to the EU half the site members cannot buy their powder of choice. I cannot fish, shoot they way I want due to EU law, I cannot protect my livestock due to EU law I could go on and on. The EU is a parasite that will destroy European independent countries like Poland without them realising it till its to late all for the betterment of countries like Germany.

THIS is the trouble with the Brexit train of thought. They seriously believe this is the EU's fault?

We (as in our government) voted in support of the light bulbs and vacuum cleaners. WE voted for it , and would have done it any way as part of our commitment to the Kyoto Protocol which is a world wide treaty on the reduction of green house gas emisions

I dont know why you cant shoot the way you want? Which EU law was that? Did the UK vote against it? Unlikely as that is as we voted in favour of 98.3% of EU directives but more so as Hunting in the EU seems far more relaxed than in the UK?

Thinking for one second its "the EU's fault" we have to look at saving the planet, is just in sain

PS: I use a 2000 lumin single LED torch for diveing. Pretty sure you can read a paper by it

Leave the EU or not we can not go back to destroying the planet with unnecessary things like inefficient filament bulbs

2013-05-07202405_zps559f5984 by markchase8, on Flickr

My 2p, buy better LED bulbs

 

[levigsp]

THIS is the trouble with the Brexit train of thought. They seriously believe this is the EU's fault?

We (as in our government) voted in support of the light bulbs and vacuum cleaners. WE voted for it , and would have done it any way as part of our commitment to the Kyoto Protocol which is a world wide treaty on the reduction of green house gas emisions

I dont know why you cant shoot the way you want? Which EU law was that? Did the UK vote against it? Unlikely as that is as we voted in favour of 98.3% of EU directives but more so as Hunting in the EU seems far more relaxed than in the UK?

Thinking for one second its "the EU's fault" we have to look at saving the planet, is just in sain

PS: I use a 2000 lumin single LED torch for diveing. Pretty sure you can read a paper by it

Leave the EU or not we can not go back to destroying the planet with unnecessary things like inefficient filament bulbs

2013-05-07202405_zps559f5984 by markchase8, on Flickr

My 2p, buy better LED bulbs

I have tried all sorts of led bulbs, believe me. I had this discussion with three keepers from Yorkshire and we went out to do an experiment with hand held lamps, one the best led lamp available compared to the same make with standard bulb. In every field we entered we had someone else lamp and count the rabbits with led first followed by bulb, in EVERY case we saw more with the bulb. The only good thing about led in a house etc is energy saving, or use them for brake lights etc on cars. If you don't understand what EU laws have effected our shooting I am not going to try and explain to those that don't wish to see. But basically, methods, materials, species have been banned or protected.
Same with fishing.
As for hunting in Europe, well in Europe the average person understands hunting and hunters are often placed on a pedestal for bringing home the bacon so to speak, but speak candidly with hunters in Poland, Slovakia, etc and they are TERRIFIED of the EU, laying down prohibitive laws. They have already lost the right to certain forms of hunting and species and they fear more to come.
The small scale farmers, hunters etc that I meet consider the EU no different to the communists that ruled them in years gone by. But the younger generation who have NO experience of how things were, think the EU is wonderful. No one is ever going to persuade me that the EU is good for great Britain, I'm old enough to remember before and during and I remember the blatant lies that were told to us all before we joined. I have seen how the EU has changed in favour of some mainland European countries to the detriment of others.

 

[Hornet 6]

OK a close run race then.

Second is still second.

Neil.

 

[mchughcb]

First it was filament, then it was xenon, then it was HID and now its LED. I can never keep up so I just jumped to the front.

 

[mchughcb]

Leave the EU or not we can not go back to destroying the planet with unnecessary things like inefficient filament bulbs

One tank of gas will pay for a lot of incandescent light bulbs.

When I think of planet destruction I'm thinking collision with a planet, a star, a black hole. I don't think of light bulbs.

 

[Hornet 6]

THIS is the trouble with the Brexit train of thought. They seriously believe this is the EU's fault?

We (as in our government) voted in support of the light bulbs and vacuum cleaners. WE voted for it ,

Leave the EU or not we can not go back to destroying the planet with unnecessary things like inefficient filament bulbs

by markchase8, on Flickr

My 2p, buy better LED bulbs

We are not the government, the government want to appear in the best light to the EU, they want the gravy train to continue to pay them.
If we the public don't actually vote on something, then we the public didn't vote, simple really isnt it.
We are being railroaded as usual, so actually it is the EU that is to blame.
As for filament bulbs ruining the environment, you have to be joking.
This world was built on the diesel engine and coal fired power stations, until there is a viable alternative nothing will change.
Electric cars are just so much bull****, never going to be viable for a large majority as nowhere to charge them, not to mention
the fact that we don't produce enough electricity, or have the infrastructure to deliver the needed current to homes to satisfy the fast charge systems.

Neil.
PS It's still the remoaners bleating loudest, like little kids who've had their sweeties taken away.

 

[JTO]

When I think of planet destruction I'm thinking collision with a planet, a star, a black hole. I don't think of light bulbs.

Correct! I think of the Chinese powerstations and overpopulation.