Don't believe that Finn, I reckon something else. I have a feeling it's someone who left the site and is posting via someone else's e mail around Huntingdon just to wind us up. Would be a laugh if it was RL54 wouldn't it, just having us on.
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Don't believe that Finn, I reckon something else. I have a feeling it's someone who left the site and is posting via someone else's e mail around Huntingdon just to wind us up. Would be a laugh if it was RL54 wouldn't it, just having us on.
Don't believe that Finn, I reckon something else. I have a feeling it's someone who left the site and is posting via someone else's e mail around Huntingdon just to wind us up. Would be a laugh if it was RL54 wouldn't it, just having us on.
Freeforester
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Please do bear in mind, everyone, that when we leave on 29 March, be it without a deal, thereafter the EU becomes technically insolvent as far as its near term budget is concerned (we don't need to worry too much about their next round of arrangements farther down the road); under this scenario, don't you think quite a few of our European friends and neighbours might wish to give us a call to offer to sell us a few bits and bobs? I think they might... Oh, and we will still have our £39billion, as a bit of a cushion.
jimmy milnes
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How can anyone provide evidence of its insolvency ?? They don't sign of the year end books !!!!! I'd be in jail if I ran myself like this '!club''
Freeforester
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Yes, they have made their accounts somewhat arcane and 'unconventional', haven't they? Whatever happened to Marta Andreassen, the nice lady who brought the many 'irregularities' to the fore??
Anyone thought to have a peek under any of the Thames bridges?
Bavarianbrit
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All doom and gloom aside. This below is for both side of the coin.
Just my hopefully constructive idea, how about if all SD members that run smallish businesses take on at least one extra apprentice for a minimum 4 year term to rebuild the abysmal level of skill sets now evident all over the UK.
Yes there are exceptions to this but it seems the best skills are being seen from Poles and other eastern block EU members who had had to do their work under awful conditions = for them for 40 years it was adapt or go under.
Skilled workers are a countries lifeblood, to stand alone you need to be better & more innovative than the others, just look at the size of our aircraft industry in the 50"s.
Here the is a German system overview and a google translate with my grammer correction is underneath that.
Lehrlinge verzweifelt gesucht: Für manche Unternehmen wird es zunehmend schwieriger, Auszubildende zu finden, vor allem das Handwerk klagt über Nachwuchsmangel. Das geht aus den neuen Zahlen des Statistischen Bundesamtes in Wiesbaden hervor. Zwar schlossen im vergangenen Jahr erstmals seit 2011 wieder mehr junge Menschen einen neuen Lehrvertrag ab. Vor allem die Zahl ausländischer Berufsanfänger stieg deutlich. Doch das Problem ist damit nicht gelöst.
So rechnet die Bundesagentur für Arbeit (BA) damit, dass es 2018 voraussichtlich erstmals seit Jahren insgesamt weniger Bewerber als Stellen in der betrieblichen Ausbildung geben wird. Bis Juli wurden 531.426 Lehrstellen fürs neue Ausbildungsjahr gemeldet, aber nur 501.878 Interessenten. Das Problem: Die Schülerzahlen sinken, während der Bedarf der Firmen an Mitarbeitern in der guten Konjunktur steigt.
Desperately searching for Apprentices: For some companies, it is increasingly difficult to find trainees, especially in the craft trades sector, complaints about a lack of young talent. This is evident from the new figures from the Federal Statistical Office in Wiesbaden. Although it was not made public before, but was in the past year for the first time since 2011, more positions for young people for a new apprenticeship were seen than were applicants. Above all, the number of foreign job seekers increased significantly. But the problem is not yet solved.
Thus, the Federal Employment Agency (BA) expects that in 2018, for the first time in years, there will probably be fewer applicants than those that are in company training. By July 2018, 531,426 apprenticeships had been registered for the new year, but only 501,878 apprentices were taken on. The problem is that student numbers are falling, while companies' demands for employees in these good times is rising.
How many are in the UK?
There was a large reduction in apprenticeships starts in the final quarter of 2016/17, following the funding changes that were introduced in June 2017.
Between August 2017 and July 2018 (the 2017/18 academic year), there were 369,700 apprenticeship starts in England, 125,200 fewer than in 2016/17. file:///C:/Users/Admin/Downloads/SN06113.pdf
I did a 5 year apprenticeship learning all I could from the old farts and it then paid me back with a good income base for 48 years.
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BB
Just my hopefully constructive idea, how about if all SD members that run smallish businesses take on at least one extra apprentice for a minimum 4 year term to rebuild the abysmal level of skill sets now evident all over the UK.
Yes there are exceptions to this but it seems the best skills are being seen from Poles and other eastern block EU members who had had to do their work under awful conditions = for them for 40 years it was adapt or go under.
Skilled workers are a countries lifeblood, to stand alone you need to be better & more innovative than the others, just look at the size of our aircraft industry in the 50"s.
Here the is a German system overview and a google translate with my grammer correction is underneath that.
Lehrlinge verzweifelt gesucht: Für manche Unternehmen wird es zunehmend schwieriger, Auszubildende zu finden, vor allem das Handwerk klagt über Nachwuchsmangel. Das geht aus den neuen Zahlen des Statistischen Bundesamtes in Wiesbaden hervor. Zwar schlossen im vergangenen Jahr erstmals seit 2011 wieder mehr junge Menschen einen neuen Lehrvertrag ab. Vor allem die Zahl ausländischer Berufsanfänger stieg deutlich. Doch das Problem ist damit nicht gelöst.
So rechnet die Bundesagentur für Arbeit (BA) damit, dass es 2018 voraussichtlich erstmals seit Jahren insgesamt weniger Bewerber als Stellen in der betrieblichen Ausbildung geben wird. Bis Juli wurden 531.426 Lehrstellen fürs neue Ausbildungsjahr gemeldet, aber nur 501.878 Interessenten. Das Problem: Die Schülerzahlen sinken, während der Bedarf der Firmen an Mitarbeitern in der guten Konjunktur steigt.
Desperately searching for Apprentices: For some companies, it is increasingly difficult to find trainees, especially in the craft trades sector, complaints about a lack of young talent. This is evident from the new figures from the Federal Statistical Office in Wiesbaden. Although it was not made public before, but was in the past year for the first time since 2011, more positions for young people for a new apprenticeship were seen than were applicants. Above all, the number of foreign job seekers increased significantly. But the problem is not yet solved.
Thus, the Federal Employment Agency (BA) expects that in 2018, for the first time in years, there will probably be fewer applicants than those that are in company training. By July 2018, 531,426 apprenticeships had been registered for the new year, but only 501,878 apprentices were taken on. The problem is that student numbers are falling, while companies' demands for employees in these good times is rising.
How many are in the UK?
There was a large reduction in apprenticeships starts in the final quarter of 2016/17, following the funding changes that were introduced in June 2017.
Between August 2017 and July 2018 (the 2017/18 academic year), there were 369,700 apprenticeship starts in England, 125,200 fewer than in 2016/17. file:///C:/Users/Admin/Downloads/SN06113.pdf
I did a 5 year apprenticeship learning all I could from the old farts and it then paid me back with a good income base for 48 years.
Regards
BB
People staying in full-time academic 'education' thanks to Blair(50% should have a university degree). My dad advocated leaving school at 14 with compulsory night-school while at work.
Kids want to earn 50% of the adult wage a soon as they leave school. It was always the same, an 17-year-old labourer earned more that a 20-year-old apprentice.
Wheeling and dealing is seen to pay better than learning a trade. Unfortunately, this leads to managers with no trade background, being influenced by accountants and screwing down the people who actually do the producing.
Kids want to earn 50% of the adult wage a soon as they leave school. It was always the same, an 17-year-old labourer earned more that a 20-year-old apprentice.
Wheeling and dealing is seen to pay better than learning a trade. Unfortunately, this leads to managers with no trade background, being influenced by accountants and screwing down the people who actually do the producing.
Orion
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It might help if the private businesses that call themselves universities reined back on promoting w*anky degree courses that lead to nothing but years of debt for the student. If the government then gave vocational courses, including apprenticeships, the status and funding they deserve we might see some improvement.
BTW in our small company we have grown by training and retaining apprentices through the various schemes available, (most of which appear to be mainly for the benefit of the body running them - think A4e etc.).
BTW in our small company we have grown by training and retaining apprentices through the various schemes available, (most of which appear to be mainly for the benefit of the body running them - think A4e etc.).
I really think that Uni's in our times probably have at least 50% of their courses either in toffee bending or something similar. A total waste of space and time
The Gov't is no better with apprenticeships. My grandson had one hell of a job to find a building trade college course in Birmingham even though he had an employer to take him on. The college he now attends is absolutely c..p with lecturers attending some days almost when they feel like it. His boss had expressed total disgust at both local and national level to no avail. Fortunately the lad is a real grafter and will make it as did his father 35 years ago solely because he is prepared to put in hours above and beyond, and because he has a good boss who appreciates him.
Most HGV driver vacancies are now being filled with EU drivers, All of the HGV technician apprentice openings are remaining vacant, as the young are averse to heavy lifting and or being dirty, as has been stated earlier, If you haven't got a degree in something you are considered below par.
Just stopped laughing, Pop's & I, (He comes on Sundays for lunch since mum died), the saying everyone has a double, well we both spoke at once, "That's twice wev'e seen Starmer today!" We were watching something on Lebensborn, a guy was following Goebels up some steps at some meeting or other ........ Look at him!!! 
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Sorry. did n
Sorry did not get it??????Just stopped laughing, Pop's & I, (He comes on Sundays for lunch since mum died), the saying everyone has a double, well we both spoke at once, "That's twice wev'e seen Starmer today!" We were watching something on Lebensborn, a guy was following Goebels up some steps at some meeting or other ........ Look at him!!!
Chasey
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So the 3million EU citizens living in the UK send back 51 million each every week? WOW
Or did you mean a year? which would meen they are sending back a still highly unlikely 1 million?
I mean I know polish builders are very good work hard and so get well pain but I didn't realise they had a million a year to flash
Chasey
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You are of course totally ignoring the money the EU gives back to the UK in grants insentives etc etc which brings the figure back down to 175 millionThe Leave campaign used the £350m gross commitment per week as their headline figure. That number is no lie. It is our approximate national commitment before rebate and EU adjudicated redistribution are subtracted. The UK Government Office of National Statistics affirms the same.
Is the Leave's bus headline figure misleading? Mmmmm. Certainly we do not currently send that full amount each year. Heck no! We actually send the much lower figure of £263m per week.But the headline figure remains the weekly calculation of the UK's annual liability. To get to any lower figure you have to remove the rebate and offset the monies coming back into the UK via EU endorsed projects. Ask this then: How rigid is the rebate framework? Are we happy what projects the EU are endowing with the £263 we actually send?
The principal stands: We are giving significant monies to the EU who distribute it amongst all their acolytes/cantons/provinces in portions they deem fit. Even if that membership fee still looks like good value for money to some, the far bigger issues of the EU remain toxic in greater portion.
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Chasey
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How can you not argue against a statement like "subservient to an unelected body" I mean its total rubbish on both counts.
Chasey
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Of course we have controle over our borders?? What a silly thing to say
What your ignoring is we have bassed our economy on cheep migrant labour, we have tried to prevent the EU bringing in legislation to stop us doing this, and we are not in any position to stop using migrant labour now.
Which is why one of the proposals for a post Brexit UK is to REMOVE the limit of migrant NHS workers we are allowed to have
We will need MORE post Brexit.
The UK government has completely failed to implement its migrant laws. This has absolutely nothing to do with the EU
In terms of asylum seekers we are one of the lowest uptake countries in the EU with one of the highest rejection rates
EU migrant workers get no benifts for three months, then they get job seekers allowance for a further three months. And if not in gainful employment after six months, they have to leave.
But the UK government has failed totally to implement these rules.
Stop blaming the EU for something thats blatantly OUR fault
Also accept that in pure financial terms we PROFIT from migrant workers. EVERY study has shown this
Importing skills has allowed the government to cut training and vocational funding down to almost nothing saving the tax payers billions. We simply import skills.
This ridiculous accusation that the situation is somehow the fault of the EU, is laughable.
£8Bn a year is the figure that was published a few months back.So the 3million EU citizens living in the UK send back 51 million each every week? WOW
Or did you mean a year? which would meen they are sending back a still highly unlikely 1 million?
I mean I know polish builders are very good work hard and so get well pain but I didn't realise they had a million a year to flash
10 years ago, there was a figure of £2.3Bn published.
3,000,000 into 51,000,000 = £17 per week I think.
Perhaps my arithmetic is as bad as your spelling.
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