So . . . .

[zambezi]

The UK has not yet thrown open the doors since the vikings and romans pushed them open.
Where is the evidence for positive vetting? It's not happened so far and with easy visa it's even less likely to happen.

Maybe you make some proposals rather than throw bricks. I heard tonight the UK is very good at saying what we do not want now we must say what we do want?

Not sure what your point is. To be very clear: we currently do not have control over who becomes eligible for EU residency and, by extension, who has a right of access to the UK. Migration criteria already exists within UK government documentation. I do not see "easy visas" in that document apart from EU/EEA persons. Currently the UK's migration policies bow to over-arching EU law.

The UK's migration policy should be revisited post Brexit and firmed up using Canadian or Australian points based models as guidelines. I believe that is a clear proposal.

 

[User00035]

How exactly? Through the Erasmus Programme and vastly increased job and travel opportunities?

Opportunities to do anything except exercise the democratic right to choose how they are governed and by whom.
Bread and circuses. Cake strewn to buy off the revolting peasants. And they lap it up.

 

[oowee]

Not sure what your point is. To be very clear: we currently do not have control over who becomes eligible for EU residency and, by extension, who has a right of access to the UK. Migration criteria already exists within UK government documentation. I do not see "easy visas" in that document apart from EU/EEA persons. Currently the UK's migration policies bow to over-arching EU law.

The UK's migration policy should be revisited post Brexit and firmed up using Canadian or Australian points based models as guidelines. I believe that is a clear proposal.

To be clear. The proposed post Brexit migration policy gives equal status to all for migration including the third world countries. Family groups (dependents) are likely to be larger with such migrants than for those from the EU, increasing the migration impact. These migrants are less likely (than EU migrants) to want to return to countries of origin as they mature increasing the long term burden. The proposed system hasyet to deal with non skilled migration requirements (care, hospitality etc)

Easy visa is the request from India post Brexit in return for the trade deal. Where we currently have positive vetting (ie non EU) where is the evidence that it works.

 

[jimmy milnes]

To be clear. The proposed post Brexit migration policy gives equal status to all for migration including the third world countries. Family groups (dependents) are likely to be larger with such migrants than for those from the EU, increasing the migration impact. These migrants are less likely (than EU migrants) to want to return to countries of origin as they mature increasing the long term burden. The proposed system hasyet to deal with non skilled migration requirements (care, hospitality etc)

Easy visa is the request from India post Brexit in return for the trade deal. Where we currently have positive vetting (ie non EU) where is the evidence that it works.

CARE WORK NOT SKILLED !!!!?! try it for a couple of weeks !!!!!!

 

[oowee]

CARE WORK NOT SKILLED !!!!?! try it for a couple of weeks !!!!!!

No sorry if i suggested that i was using the governments description of skilled which is based upon qualifications. Having seen what care workers have to contend with I am amazed they can get workers at twice the cost let alone what they are paying. I certainly could not do the work.

There will need to be some way to describe essential worker requirements that are not necessarily based upon paper qualifications.

 

[Pine Marten]

Opportunities to do anything except exercise the democratic right to choose how they are governed and by whom.
Bread and circuses. Cake strewn to buy off the revolting peasants. And they lap it up.

It's a separate discussion, but we have the democratic right to choose who governs us only as long as it's the pointless Tories or Labour. Which is a totally home grown problem. I mean amongst are many UKIP or former UKIP supporters, and when did you ever obtain fair representation? In the last European elections. That was probably the most effective vote you ever had from a UK domestic perspective, paradoxically.

 

[Hornet 6]

Neil
Aren't you forgetting something? Our American cousins supported us on both occasions, firstly with finance and kit and then later many Americans came here and fought and died for us. Our American cousins are still supporting us.
Regards
JCS

Nope not forgetting the USA's input.
But that raises another question, had we not gone to war would their help have been needed ?

Neil.

 

[Hornet 6]

I heard tonight the UK is very good at saying what we do not want now we must say what we do want?

I thought we said clearly, freedom from the EU

Neil.

 

[JTO]

I thought we said clearly, freedom from the EU Neil.

+1. Remainers can only talk about money.

 

[zambezi]

It's a separate discussion, but we have the democratic right to choose who governs us only as long as it's the pointless Tories or Labour.

Definitely some merit in this observation. The UK electorate's choice is currently somewhat binary and neither of the main players have covered themselves in glory in recent parliamentary cycles. But at least we get to choose. That is top trumps right there. And once we have true sovereignty, we can push for reform.

I mean amongst are many UKIP or former UKIP supporters, and when did you ever obtain fair representation? In the last European elections. That was probably the most effective vote you ever had from a UK domestic perspective, paradoxically.

Proportional representation deliveres a better per capita MEP representation in the European parliament than is the case at Westminister. Granted. But that is window dressing. Democracy by pretense. What can a myriad disunited voices in the 700+ sea of MEPs actually change? They cannot draft law. But they can be herded to a majority endorsement of Commission will via article 16. Finch nails it in post #1462.

 

[zambezi]

It's a separate discussion, but we have the democratic right to choose who governs us only as long as it's the pointless Tories or Labour.

A review of votes cast and seats gained is illuminating. I propose that analysis might suggest that the 2015 ballot showed the peoples speaking from the heart and hoping that they can achieve real change. The 2017 result is a resignation to the fact that our first past the post electoral system does indeed favour only two horses. In 2017 folk abandoned their true desire in favour of keeping out their worst option government.

2015 reult in numbers: Tories got 11.3m votes and 329 seats, while Ukip got one seat for 3.9m votes

 

[User00025]

What happened with the Windrush generation? Rely on the settled status and take your chance or £1330 for residency now let alone the time taken to complete the tests.

 

[finnbear270]

Say no more EH!

 

[kenbro]

Say no more EH!

That man needs a drink to steady himself!
Love it.
Ken.

 

[JTO]

In 2017 folk abandoned their true desire in favour of keeping out their worst option government.

This is my Philosophy. First past the post, I vote to stop what I don't want. PR, I vote for what I want.

 

[Woodsmoke]

I think he also said: "There is nothing to fear, but 'fear', itself."

He obviously hadn't seen this . . . . . .

 

[jimmy milnes]

Italy in recession amid sluggish eurozone
the start of it ???

 

[finnbear270]

Italy in recession amid sluggish eurozone
the start of it ???

It's Just My Magination ... Runni'n Away With Me!

 

[User00025]

It's Just My Magination ... Runni'n Away With Me!

The green light is on hook up and start jumping.
The ones left on board will end up with twisted lines.

 

[finnbear270]

Stand up!, ... Hook up!, Check the man in front!, Number one stand in the door!, Green on!, FU##!!!!!! OOOOF! ....