Spindle Cell Tumour - Advice

[shakey jake]

is manuka actually any better than local honey?
i know the kiwis say it is but has any one tried normal honey on a wound?

 

[John Gryphon]

is manuka actually any better than local honey?
i know the kiwis say it is but has any one tried normal honey on a wound?

We dont want Chernobyl honey either.

What are the most detected pesticides in honey?


Based on the recent EFSA report on pesticides in food, the most detected pesticides in honey are the agricultural pesticides thiacloprid, acetamiprid, bimoxystrobin, glyphosate, chlorpyriphos, fosetyl, flonicamid, boscalid, and chlorfluazuron.24 Oct 2023

 

[shakey jake]

We dont want Chernobyl honey either.

What are the most detected pesticides in honey?


Based on the recent EFSA report on pesticides in food, the most detected pesticides in honey are the agricultural pesticides thiacloprid, acetamiprid, bimoxystrobin, glyphosate, chlorpyriphos, fosetyl, flonicamid, boscalid, and chlorfluazuron.24 Oct 2023

is that yes, no or maybe?

 

[John Gryphon]

is that yes, no or maybe?

depends on what the local honey has in it.

Bottom line is that the Manuka has the properties that has it stand out for healing.

 

[shakey jake]

depends on what the local honey has in it.

Bottom line is that the Manuka has the properties that has it stand out for healing.

well ive just done some reading and the facts seem a bit sketchy to me. there are some chemicals found in manuka that arent in other honey but peroxide is apparently formed from all honey. this along with the sugars and lack of oxygen and water seem to promote healing.
but very little evidence to compare differnt honey. and honey has been used for thousands of years, several sitesdid advise not using any table honey for wounds just medical grade.
and no evidence for any superior properties to normal honey inside the body
i think if it was my dog id just use a normal raw honey im not sold on the hype

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Oh. It’s a bugger of a place to remove anything due to the lack of spare skin so the wound breakdown may be due to tension rather than recurrence. Looking at the wound now from the initial mass, it’s a fair result, that area will heal up nicely. Manukau (genuine) does seem to help. Good luck

Many thanks for your advice.

As you can see from the pic it looks very different

I’ve been putting Manuka on it 4 times a day.

My concern is that as this is a Spindle Tumor and not all of it may have been removed because of lack of skin to work with .

What I might be looking at is just a honey scab and infact if this was cleaned off it may not be healing atall.

I aim to keep going with the honey just unsure if it needs cleaning or just leave alone

On close up it doesn’t look like the skin is rolled anymore around the edges

Best

Terry

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

If you can get a thin coat onto it once a day for a week or 10 days I bet it'll help. When you amputate cattle toes you can never get skin closure by suturing, so we just put lots of manuka over it, under a bandage, and it really speeds up healing. Works great for enucleations too, we remove the eyeball and fill the hole up with honey! This is a favourite brand...

Aniwell Active Manuka Honey Cream

Aniwell Active Manuka Honey Cream is available online with fast delivery from VioVet, the trusted supplier of veterinary medication, foods and animal care products.

www.viovet.co.uk

Hi Alex

I went with Manuka 830 because I had access to it immediately.
Thankyou for your advice

 

[potshotpat]

Many thanks for your advice.

As you can see from the pic it looks very different

I’ve been putting Manuka on it 4 times a day.

My concern is that as this is a Spindle Tumor and not all of it may have been removed because of lack of skin to work with .

What I might be looking at is just a honey scab and infact if this was cleaned off it may not be healing atall.

I aim to keep going with the honey just unsure if it needs cleaning or just leave alone

On close up it doesn’t look like the skin is rolled anymore around the edges

Best

Terry

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That's getting better, keep at it. Good luck.

 

[Alex88]

I think that looks a lot better! I would keep going as you are for another week

 

[CookM]

Damn good stuff ,is the good stuff.
My GP got hold of some manuka infused patches to put on some open wounds l had on my feet,after around 6 weeks the holes all granulated in.
Silver nitride patches were not keeping up with it.

Not sure if available to buy,but if you could shave to skin and attach patches,it is a chance.

 

[SikaSeeker]

Manuka gauze is what we use at work, if you search for it on google, you’ll find it. But I think it’s doing just fine with what you’re doing

 

[Dalua]

Reading this with interest. No idea about, dogs, vet surgery or tumours: but I am aware that when I was a student in the late '80s, and I think when the current raft of fancy (hydrocolloid etc.) wound-management products was just starting to appear, the hospital pharmacies still had sugar-paste available in thick and thin forms for use with dressings. Thick was a malleable paste which could be put into wide, open ulcers etc, and thin could be poured or syringed into sinuses and narrower cavities.

This makes me wonder whether there really is magic in very expensive honey varieties for this purpose - or whether it is in fact simply about creating a moist, protected environment to promote healing, combined with such a colossal osmolality (from the massive sugar-concentration in the honey/sugar-paste) that no independent life (pathogenic bacteria, for example) can thrive there?

 

[Buchan]

Reading this with interest. No idea about, dogs, vet surgery or tumours: but I am aware that when I was a student in the late '80s, and I think when the current raft of fancy (hydrocolloid etc.) wound-management products was just starting to appear, the hospital pharmacies still had sugar-paste available in thick and thin forms for use with dressings. Thick was a malleable paste which could be put into wide, open ulcers etc, and thin could be poured or syringed into sinuses and narrower cavities.

This makes me wonder whether there really is magic in very expensive honey varieties for this purpose - or whether it is in fact simply about creating a moist, protected environment to promote healing, combined with such a colossal osmolality (from the massive sugar-concentration in the honey/sugar-paste) that no independent life (pathogenic bacteria, for example) can thrive there?

Probably the latter

 

[Dalua]

Probably the latter

I must confess that is my hunch, too.

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Many thanks to all that have contributed. It really is appreciated.

I don’t think with the rolled skin that Max would be at this stage of healing without the honey.

Still a bit to go but it’s getting smaller and looks to be healing.

 

[potshotpat]

Well done you. Stick at it. When it's all healed up carry on for another two weeks. Good luck

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Following the period where this just wasn’t healing atall to where he’s at now im sure the honey played a significant part in the healing process.

Especially where the skin had rolled due to the tumor.

Hope this helps someone else

Many thanks to all that gave advice from a very grateful man and his dog

 

[Heym SR20]

Mrs Heym’s uncle had a couple of skin type tumours removed from the top of his bald head. Manuka Honey was used to heal the wounds.

 

[Alex88]

Here's another manuka honey case, a newborn foal with a deep wound, farmer didn't want to pay for veterinary visit or stitches, but he sent me these photos 2 weeks apart.They have been applying a bit of honey every 2 days.