enfieldspares
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The ideal non PCP would likely be a single stroke pneumatic if such a thing existed.
Springer air rifle recomendations
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That would be a lovely thing indeed. Years ago a friend had a multi pump (Benjamin/Sheridan rifle) in .20cal and apart from the knackering multiple pumps (close to 10 from memory) that you needed to extract adequate hunting power from it, it really was a very good rifle. Very accurate and .20 is a lovely air rifle calibre. The rabbits would clock you furiously pumping away though.
enfieldspares
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There was a single stroke air pistol that was pneumatic I thing. I had one. It was a Webley something or other. Gamo still make them. I'm supposing that for an air rifle you can get enough leverage in a single stroke to get anything like decent power.
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Heym SR20
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I still like my old BSA Airsporter that I was given in 1982. I keep it down at my fplks down south and it still does good service keeping the rabbit, rat and squirrel population down.
Now that I have my Scottish airweapons permit I do have a hankering after a Weihrauch HW35E.
Now that I have my Scottish airweapons permit I do have a hankering after a Weihrauch HW35E.
twoseventy
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Don't discount the Diana 52.
Hw97k with a venom tuning kit
Harry mac
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Most, if not all the springers mentioned here have been on the heavy side. Do your arms a favour and go for summat like a BSA Supersport, or one of the smaller Weihrauchs, such as the 50, 99 or 57.
If you're not bothered about hunting with it, the HW30 is also a great little gun that could be used on rats if you needed to.
If you're not bothered about hunting with it, the HW30 is also a great little gun that could be used on rats if you needed to.
HW97 thumbholes are ambi; sporter stocks are handed and I expect south paws are a special order.
Bought a Theoben Eliminator FAC thinking it would replace my 12 ft/lb HW97. Had it about three days then took it back and went back to the HW. Best springer air rifle I've ever had.
I always had a thing for Weirauchs when I went through my springer phase with HW 85 and 77K both .22, bought and eventually sold when I moved on to Theobens and the Titan PCP.
My best mate had a BSA Superstar 22 and that was the mutts nuts, he only sold it to buy my Theoben countryman carbine which he still has.
My best mate had a BSA Superstar 22 and that was the mutts nuts, he only sold it to buy my Theoben countryman carbine which he still has.
triggersqueezer
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if you can find a sandwell field sports tuned weirauch it will give any pcp a run for its money .mine spanked a mk 4 daystate in a shoot out not missing a 2p at 50 yards once
I also have a non FAC Walther springer that is a raged holed gun at c.30yds which is great for the garden and cost £130 or so.
HW77K tuned is the business, Air arms just as good. HW 80 for break barrel. Best gas ram is a Theoben Sirrocco rare as hens teeth but lovely.
I have HW77K, 2x BSA Mercury, Webley Excel all in .22 and shot hundreds of rabbits, pigeon and squirrels with them.
Tony at Sandwell Field sports is the man to talk to.
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I have HW77K, 2x BSA Mercury, Webley Excel all in .22 and shot hundreds of rabbits, pigeon and squirrels with them.
Tony at Sandwell Field sports is the man to talk to.
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My take on this is to go 22 for a springer. Reason being that theoretically you get less recoil from it because it takes less compressed air to get it up to speed due to the larger diameter pellet.
Probably haven’t splained that very well.
enfieldspares
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Pretty much that, indeed if you put a gas ram meant for, say, a 177 Supersport in a 22 Supersport it makes it over legal velocity. So, yes, the 22 is more efficient. But there's something more important.
Barrel time (and trajectory) of which BOTH are better served by choosing the calibre that gives has the greater velocity.
That is the time the bullet is in the barrel after you've pulled the trigger. So barrel time on a .22 is longer than on a .177. That trumps any issues or recoil. Bottom line is that .177 became the go to calibre for the early spring air rifles in anything involving shooting targets (and in the early days that meant shooting for money) as it was the better calibre for accuracy because barrel time was less.
And with any sub 12 ft/lbs air rifle on live quarry at "guesstimated distances" it is velocity that gives:
1) Less barrel time and
2) The flattest trajectory and
3) Sufficient penetration to reach a vital internal organ of brain, heart, lungs, once arrived on target trump all.
Yes at known paced out distances such as rats in a hen yard a .22, or even a .25 (even if sub 12 ft/lbs) if you are taking body shots through the shoulders. Penetration at those ranges on those quarry is more than adequate with any non-s1 rated caliber. Or squirrels the same out to twenty two yards. But over twenty-five yards where you are at "guesstimated distances" and if you are taking brain shots the .177 is better.
I also think it is better on pigeon and crows. The old adage was .22 for fur, .177 for feather. Magpies? Either will do as long as you put the shot on target...so again the flat trajectory factor becomes important.
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That’s interesting
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