stalking getting to pricey

[bogtrotter]

I tend to agree with Griff and Deako, on this one I don't see a problem with someone making a business from stalking leases
yes there are crooks but not everyone is, yes and some leases are expensive, but think of what you are getting for your money
The fact that you are getting exclusive rights, can stalk when and as often as you wish, those are the things I would look for in a lease, if you are not getting these my advice would be walk away,in a lot of cases you will also get the venison.

When you compare it to stalking by the day it starts to look a lot more attractive.
Red stags costing around £400 +tip to stalker £40 per stag is average +trophy preparation £30 seems to be the going rate
Roe Bucks £50 to £90 per outing +£150 per Buck up to medal standard then charge per cic point + plus previous charges
so gold medal Buck can cost £600-£800 plus you still have stalkers tip and trophy prep costs, and if you want the venison
you will have to buy it at game dealers price.

Of course its possible to get better deals but these are average prices.

 

[308boy]

What do you do for a living bogtrotter. Do you graft or just strip a slice of the top of someone elses endeavours? No offence but you seem to be in cahoots with a certain breed.

UK PLC seems to think that middlemen are entreprenuers. I think they are parasites personally.

I will be shooting stags in the rut for £125 per day and I get hinds for £75 per day. I drag em off and take em to the dealer for the keeper. If I want venison it is agreed when i turn up and I will take a calf or a roe for the pot. This arrangement did not happen overnight and it is the product of reap and sow.
The way it should be.
IMHO.

 

[steviemaysa]

well said 308boy

 

[steviemaysa]

there is some stalking in the shooting times this week for ayrshire think it is the same ground i looked at, mobil rings a bell.

 

[Jagare]

Deer stalking is a commodity like any other. Supply and demand rules . The more people want to stalk the more expensive it becomes.


.308boy are you saying that your gun shop ,green grocer, butcher, etc are parasites ? They are middle men.

Never ceases to amaze me how people moan when some one offers stalking be it a let day or a syndicate place. We have the choice take it or leave it.
308boy you are in the position of the reap and sow method it works for you as it has worked for me. Some people are lucky and get there stalking for a bottle of whisky or some other service.
But many don’t have a way into the countryside and have to buy days or a syndicate place well tough as it is they have to pay the going rate for it. If they can’t afford it then take up another hobby.

There is nothing special about deer stalking that should make it cheap just because some one would like to do it. This is the reality of life.

www.prokennel.se

 

[bogtrotter]

What do you do for a living bogtrotter. Do you graft or just strip a slice of the top of someone elses endeavours? No offence but you seem to be in cahoots with a certain breed.

UK PLC seems to think that middlemen are entreprenuers. I think they are parasites personally.

I will be shooting stags in the rut for £125 per day and I get hinds for £75 per day. I drag em off and take em to the dealer for the keeper. If I want venison it is agreed when i turn up and I will take a calf or a roe for the pot. This arrangement did not happen overnight and it is the product of reap and sow.
The way it should be.
IMHO.

I most certainly graft for a living, I am a stalker by profession, I don't lease land to syndicate never have done, have had a couple of forestry leases with high deer population, shot them hard and made my money from the venison.
I also do the stalking for several estates that find it more financially beneficial to employ me on a contract basis than to employ a full time stalker.

I also accompany clients for several people who have taken leases and syndicated them, I don't necessarily have to stalk with the syndicate members but must be there when they are on site, this is written in to their contract when they join the syndicate why? because they have had nothing but trouble from allowing unaccompanied stalking, from trespassing on to neighbouring property, shooting sheep in the forest, opening forest fences to allow more deer in, falsifying cull returns in the hope they will get a reduction on the price they will pay the next year, I could go on.

Now I know that not every stalker falls in to this category, but there are enough of them about.

So I have no problem with someone taking a lease and selling it on, its a business like any other, some do it to make money some do it to fund there own stalking, so what.

Of course its people like these that are paying my wages, does that make me a parasite? I don't think so.
I am just a guy trying to make a living like everyone else.

If you can get stags at £125 great, know, it can happen but its not nor ever will be the norm.

What is a bigger problem than the guys on here selling syndicate places are the number of continentals taking leases on estates now, for example your paying your £1000 per annum and think its a bit steep along comes a continental and says
I will give you £5000 per annum. and I will pay 5 years up front.
Thats fact not fiction as I know where it happened.
Its an ill wind and all that, more work for me. parasite if you think so|

 

[dieseldan]

"I most certainly graft for a living, I am a stalker by profession"

Nuff said you agree with posters because you are in the same boat. I would not expect turkeys to vote for xmas either.

As for continentals, the English have done it for a century so why not the Europeans.

Everyone must make a living. Even the gunshop owner marking up his stock over £100% so he can jump into his range rover. Ever wondered where all the gunshops went? Not many scottish stalkers or sporting agents left either.

Happy stalking

 

[jimbo123p]

Yesterday I spent the day in the very pleasant company of members of this site. I signed up for a syndicate. I paid my fees in cash. I inspected the ground red and roe were seen. Signs show plenty of deer on the ground. It is a limited number of members with unlimited access. It is not FC. it was in a response to an advert on here. Yes you can say I am chuffed,
The local farm does B&B. Unfortunately the southern lads could not move in the morning for the size of the breakfast

OH if you want to check back it is was a genuine offer of £380,

Not everybody is rip off merchants. I wonder how many did not apply because it seemed too cheap to be genuine.

Jim

 

[bogtrotter]

Good luck with it Jim, hope it works out for you,can't understand people wingeing about prices, if you are not happy with the price being asked you just walk away and look for somewhere else, nobody is being forced to take a lease.

Plenty good deals to be got out there,you just need to get off your a*** and look for them.

I suspect no matter what the asking price was some would still think it was to much.

 

[bogtrotter]

"I most certainly graft for a living, I am a stalker by profession"

Nuff said you agree with posters because you are in the same boat. I would not expect turkeys to vote for xmas either.

s for continentals, the English have done it for a century so why not the Europeans.

Everyone must make a living. Even the gunshop owner marking up his stock over £100% so he can jump into his range rover. Ever wondered where all the gunshops went? Not many scottish stalkers or sporting agents left either.

Happy stalking

While I don't have a problem with continentals coming here stalking after all they help keep me in a job.
Here is something for you to consider.
As was discussed on another post level 2 requirements for F.C leases.
Not many people are aware of this but 4 or 5 years ago H.V.V. the Belgian hunting association similar to B.A.S.C. came to an agreement for H.V.V. to run DMQs in Belgium since then many Belgians have done level 1 not so many done level 2 but the number is increasing all the time.

Belgium is a very small country with a large population,with a large% of people who hunt, not many opportunities for hunting
as there are more hunters than land available to hunt on.

The UK is very popular with Belgians for stalking especially Roe stalking, they feel that having DMQ 1and 2 will give them more chance of securing a stalking lease in the UK.

At the moment I know of 7 private estates and 2 forestry blocks, where Belgian syndicates have secured the stalking rights
and imagine there will be considerably more.

 

[jimbo123p]

View attachment 384View attachment 383Well the scenery takes a bit of beating on route to the new ground past Loch Lomond in the early sunshine, jim