Stamp Duty, Sporting Rates, and now Income Tax - when's the SNP going to stop

Heym SR20

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So the SNP has chosen not to raise tax rates, but it's not raising the Tax thresholds by any more than the rate of inflation so any body in Scotland earning more than £43,430 will be paying more tax than their English counterparts whose threshold will be £45,000. Now £43,430 is not exactly a high income these days and suspect many on the SD are there or there abouts, and certainly many that are amateurs stalkers or enjoy game shooting.

So we are now getting hammered not only when we try to move house - anything more than a £325,000 property now attracts stamp duty of 10% in the peoples republic and anything over £750,000 is 12% - and no you don't get very much for £325,000 in Scotland any more.

Our shooting is about to get another 20 or 30% added onto it - if you are a sporting tenant, which us what most of us are or will be.

If you want to sink a mooring for a boat, or rent one the Crown Estate - which in Scotland is now part of the Scottish Government will charge an extra £80 per annum for the privilege.

Because the SNP have put a torpedo through the Scottish economy - and yes a lot of oil jobs have gone because of the low oil price, but most oil companies have chosen to makes the cuts in Aberdeen rather than elsewhere (I wonder why) - most of us spend most of time earning money elsewhere and now those of us who are actually contributing something are just getting squeezed even more.

And it has just put another obstacle in the way of attracting and keeping good talent in the country.

Oh and because of the land reform act - if you choose to rent out your property your tenants can take it off you.

England will have a major immigrant problem as yet more of the working class - plenty earning more than £40,000 hitch up the ox wagons and head southwards permanently.

When will people wake up and realise the damage that is being caused.
 

Apthorpe

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Obviously England should be offering people the option to establish their tax domicile in England if they prefer. Better for the taxpayer, the Westminster government and a disaster for Sturgeon.

And that's a major emigrant problem on top of the current status quo which is already a major taxpayer drain. A few years ago my wife (not British) was horrified to discover that you could fit all the net taxpayers in Scotland into Murrayfield with space to spare.
 
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teyhan1

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The lizard lipped witch of the north has got you now.
They may take our lives but they'll never take our freedom, but by god she's going to tax the carp out of it.
Sadly you have only your countrymen to blame as it was they who voted her in.
Also £43k per year would be lovely but sadly a dream to a vast majority of the populus, me included at less than 1/2 of that.
 

Pedro

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"The trouble with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money to spend."
Exactly. In Britain (including Scotland) the socialists get into power and finance all their great schemes to fulfil their beliefs in equality and freedoms, until it all goes financially baps up and then the Conservatives get in and restore the finances. Then the Conservatives, if in for too long, start their whacky ideas, so Labour come to the rescue. And so on...

Unfortunately in Scotland, there is currently no alternative. So the lefty lunatics are running the asylum. I think it was a shrewd move for Westminster to devolve the tax powers to Scotland because in no way shape or form does Scotland have the income to bring "Lizard Lips" ideas to fruition without taxing every which way she can. Where will it all end? We shall see, damned if I know.
 

enfieldspares

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Pah. Child's play. For real tax torture you've got to go back to the 1960s when my late father had the pleasure of paying tax at 19s 6d in the £1. For those born post decimalisation that's 97.5p in the £1. Now that's proper tax torture!
 

deeangeo

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"The trouble with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money to spend."
'Socialism'...it's just a nicer word for Communism.
That's what the SNP are..Communists... all of them!
Swinney, Salmond, Sturgeon...all Trotskyites
 

Apthorpe

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Unfortunately in Scotland, there is currently no alternative. So the lefty lunatics are running the asylum. I think it was a shrewd move for Westminster to devolve the tax powers to Scotland because in no way shape or form does Scotland have the income to bring "Lizard Lips" ideas to fruition without taxing every which way she can. Where will it all end? We shall see, damned if I know.
The problem with places like Scotland is that the mass of the electorate is so wilfully stupid and ideologically hostile that reasonable economic policies won't even enter into their universe of options. No matter how far wrong it goes, it will always be the fault of the English failing to provide enough subsidy/ conspiring to do them down by giving them financial independence / stealing their vast natural wealth. What they actually want as an ideal policy is to go back to the Middle Ages dress in rags and kilts, survive off porridge and carrion, paint themselves blue, rage at the English for the treachery of their own leaders.
A Scottish politician recommending living within their means will get no further than an English one recommending the English abandon Earth and move to the Moon.

The French are the same. An otherwise advanced nation committing political suicide nearly every election. Even when they elect someone who has a sensible policy, they riot to stop him enacting the policies they voted for.
(I started off planning to write a sensible comment, but I haven't had my porridge yet either.)
 

Apthorpe

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"The trouble with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples money to spend."
Of course, that's never been a worry for the Scots because it has always been other people's money with less than 1% of the population being net taxpayers.
This is partly the fault of the English as well, because it's the almost inevitable result of subsidising them so heavily - and for permitting devolution. If given a choice, it should have been between shutting up and being more British or full independence: no aid, no free trade and a sealed border.
They developed a predictable dependency and we've had 20 years of politicians who had no use for economic competence and were rewarded for being wasteful, demanding and loud-mouthed exactly because the best economic strategy for Scotland was to behave like a cross between a spoilt child and an addict. It's almost inevitable that Sturgeon would be the result of this. It's made the electorate politically retarded too.
 

Highlandsjohn

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Pah. Child's play. For real tax torture you've got to go back to the 1960s when my late father had the pleasure of paying tax at 19s 6d in the £1. For those born post decimalisation that's 97.5p in the £1. Now that's proper tax torture!
ES, Your father must have been a very wealthy man to suffer the progressive tax regime under H. Wilson. 83%+15 =98%.
I wonder if that is why he (Wilson) spent so much of his time on the islands and did it help to shape your future with mainland Europe.
I was a neighbour of yours (Cosby)during the end of his reign and Ted'double digit inflation and the destruction of British industry by Thatcher,et al. Seems to me we continue to change doctors every five years or so but continue with the same old medicine..
 

enfieldspares

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There is indeed some sort of masochistic streak in the UK that thinks the medicine isn't working unless it's hurting. That 98% you certainly didn't have to be wealthy to enjoy the pleasure of being invited to pay tax at that rate.

Even people on a much lower income got done over if they did overtime. Corby. Thatcher's idea for a Euro Theme Park to replace all those lost steel jobs. She ripped the heart out of that community. Destroyed it.

On the other whenever I cam down from university my father used to take me down to the dole office to sign on in his car. Door to door with the bon mot "I've paid enough in tax now it's about time we got a dividend out". And because of that I have never had the slightest
 

Highlandsjohn

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Of course, that's never been a worry for the Scots because it has always been other people's money with less than 1% of the population being net taxpayers.
This is partly the fault of the English as well, because it's the almost inevitable result of subsidising them so heavily - and for permitting devolution. If given a choice, it should have been between shutting up and being more British or full independence: no aid, no free trade and a sealed border.
They developed a predictable dependency and we've had 20 years of politicians who had no use for economic competence and were rewarded for being wasteful, demanding and loud-mouthed exactly because the best economic strategy for Scotland was to behave like a cross between a spoilt child and an addict. It's almost inevitable that Sturgeon would be the result of this. It's made the electorate politically retarded too.
I wonder if that's why so many of your countrymen and women continue to flock to our great country.
Or maybe it's just to get away from the bile and bigotry that seems to reflect in so many posts here..
 

Apthorpe

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It could be. But then lots of us flock to Zimbabwe, Greece, Pakistan, Egypt, Bolivia, Mexico, Bulgaria and so on. I wouldn't say that tourism is any guide to economic or political competence.
 

bowji john

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You didn't have to be in a high tax bracket to suffer Wilson's tax regime

I remember a family member coming over to us in Zambia - he was an ordinary copper in UK

He told us that no-one ever wanted to do overtime for extra money - they tried to get paid in 'paid time off' as there was no point in being payed in ££ coz they didn't get it - it was taxed out of existance
 

deeangeo

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the destruction of British industry by Thatcher,et al.
Yup Thatcher certainly did have an impact on British industry.....but the reaction was always brought on by the unions who keep to this day shooting themselves in the foot and bringing down industries through their own actions. Docks, Steel, shipbuilding, motor industry, railways, mining....unions take the greatest blame for the poor performance (strikes) and loss of these industries and many more besides.
 

countrryboy

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So the SNP has chosen not to raise tax rates, but it's not raising the Tax thresholds by any more than the rate of inflation so any body in Scotland earning more than £43,430 will be paying more tax than their English counterparts whose threshold will be £45,000. Now £43,430 is not exactly a high income these days and suspect many on the SD are there or there abouts, and certainly many that are amateurs stalkers or enjoy game shooting.

So we are now getting hammered not only when we try to move house - anything more than a £325,000 property now attracts stamp duty of 10% in the peoples republic and anything over £750,000 is 12% - and no you don't get very much for £325,000 in Scotland any more.

Our shooting is about to get another 20 or 30% added onto it - if you are a sporting tenant, which us what most of us are or will be.

If you want to sink a mooring for a boat, or rent one the Crown Estate - which in Scotland is now part of the Scottish Government will charge an extra £80 per annum for the privilege.

Because the SNP have put a torpedo through the Scottish economy - and yes a lot of oil jobs have gone because of the low oil price, but most oil companies have chosen to makes the cuts in Aberdeen rather than elsewhere (I wonder why) - most of us spend most of time earning money elsewhere and now those of us who are actually contributing something are just getting squeezed even more.

And it has just put another obstacle in the way of attracting and keeping good talent in the country.

Oh and because of the land reform act - if you choose to rent out your property your tenants can take it off you.

England will have a major immigrant problem as yet more of the working class - plenty earning more than £40,000 hitch up the ox wagons and head southwards permanently.

When will people wake up and realise the damage that is being caused.

I don't know which part of scotland u live in but in my area not many folk will be on 43k a year in fact most working households with both husband and wife working will be doing quite well to bring in 43K a year combined. And i imagine that will be the norm for most of rural scotland

Basically ur losing 20% of £1500 so about £300 more than u would be in England, now add that up against ur free prescriptions, free uni for ur kids (9k a year in eng) free home health care for elderely

Also don't know wot sort of houses ur looking at but 325k buys u a lot of house, be looking a 4-5 bedroom possibly even some ground with it, usually 100k ish buys u a decent 3 bed with a garden.


U must be awfuly well informed about the shooting rates going up by 20-30%, as far as i was aware the questionaires aren't even in yet never mind a tax rate set.
I also thought the land reform act only applied to land
I hope it applies to rented houses too, only fair, it wouldn't take that many city houses/flats in a portfolio to be worth the same as a medium sized upland estate. But the massive difference is the housing porfolio will actually make money each year while the estate will most likely lose money year on year.

I'm no fan off the SNP, in fact can't stand them, BUT there is no point in coming on here moaning for sake of £300, if u don't like it move, it is that simple. I would imagine the house prices and cost of living will be a dam site higher down south
I bet many on this site will spend more than 300 quid a year on desiel travelling up to there stalking grounds

Sooner rather than later folk will make up to the sham that is the snp, a few pigeons are coming home to roost now and pretty sure be more arriving, they have been in power for so long now and are in control of so much that they can't blame anyone else for the mess schools are in (worst in europe an on par with some 3rd world asian countries) nhs which is really struggling, state of the roads, police/fire scotland just a complete disaster

Until the 50-60'sscotland was a mainly tory voting country,mibee it will come again as labour have ompletely imploded north of border.
 

JockStalk

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For me there is a silver lining in the budget. Mackay, the cerebrally-challenged second-rate career-councillor who is now our countries finance secretary, is squeezing the council budgets. Upping the poll tax and reducing the money from central government is the claim being made by........Glasgow City Council.

Its labour led, fair enough. But its also the SNP heartland.

When enough braveheart 'weegies start seeing there bin collections faltering on top of the problems we are seeing up here with schools and healthcare, then maybe they will 'rise up' again.

And vote the Crankies illegitimate offspring out of power.

(.....aye, I'm an optimist)
 

Heym SR20

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I don't know which part of scotland u live in but in my area not many folk will be on 43k a year in fact most working households with both husband and wife working will be doing quite well to bring in 43K a year combined. And i imagine that will be the norm for most of rural scotland

Basically ur losing 20% of £1500 so about £300 more than u would be in England, now add that up against ur free prescriptions, free uni for ur kids (9k a year in eng) free home health care for elderely

Also don't know wot sort of houses ur looking at but 325k buys u a lot of house, be looking a 4-5 bedroom possibly even some ground with it, usually 100k ish buys u a decent 3 bed with a garden.


U must be awfuly well informed about the shooting rates going up by 20-30%, as far as i was aware the questionaires aren't even in yet never mind a tax rate set.
I also thought the land reform act only applied to land
I hope it applies to rented houses too, only fair, it wouldn't take that many city houses/flats in a portfolio to be worth the same as a medium sized upland estate. But the massive difference is the housing porfolio will actually make money each year while the estate will most likely lose money year on year.

I'm no fan off the SNP, in fact can't stand them, BUT there is no point in coming on here moaning for sake of £300, if u don't like it move, it is that simple. I would imagine the house prices and cost of living will be a dam site higher down south
I bet many on this site will spend more than 300 quid a year on desiel travelling up to there stalking grounds

Sooner rather than later folk will make up to the sham that is the snp, a few pigeons are coming home to roost now and pretty sure be more arriving, they have been in power for so long now and are in control of so much that they can't blame anyone else for the mess schools are in (worst in europe an on par with some 3rd world asian countries) nhs which is really struggling, state of the roads, police/fire scotland just a complete disaster

Until the 50-60'sscotland was a mainly tory voting country,mibee it will come again as labour have ompletely imploded north of border.
Live in Edinburgh, work with technology based companies - mostly down south now. Yes fully appreciate you can buy a large house in the rural parts of Scotland for not a lot of money, challenge for me is that there is no way of earning a living. The real point of the message yesterday by the SNP is that they just want to tax the living daylights out of the likes of us.

I along with many other professionals and business people pay my taxes. Our local state school gets excited when somebody 5 Nat 5s at C grade, so we choose to educate our one daughter privately and that about accounts for one of our incomes. In effect we are paying twice for education, once for hers and also through our taxes for a place in a local school we don't use - well actually probably more than that, because are also paying towards facilities that are provided free to the other local schools. Moot point on fees to Scottish universities - loans for students cover costs of tuition.

Biggest challenge for Scottish businesses is recruiting and retaining well trained and qualified staff. Most will be in the £40 to £50k plus salary bracket, and to get the skills, chances are they will have to move into the area - its difficult enough, but this latest is just sending the wrong message entirely. Why would anybody relocate the highest taxed part of the UK, with the worst economy.

I have already made the move Southwards - spend three weeks out of four down there. Next step is to get some permanent accommodation - cardboard box somewhere - but not something that I want to do. I love living in Scotland, but utterly dispare at the politics and the ineptitude of our elected representatives. Edinburgh used to be a thriving business community - lunch time all the restaurants were business with business people doing business. Now the restaurants are only busy during the festival and the City Council want to make us into a Disney theme park. If you want to find any business people - 6am at the airport or 5.40 train to London is where you find them. And where are they spending their money and do business - not in Scotland and not with Scottish companies so not contributing to the Scottish economy.

Agree with pigeons coming home to roost - but I will be drawing a pension by then - no I won't cos pensions were hammerred by Mr Brown and have never recovered.
 
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