Stop & Search.
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On the one hand there's a knife crime epidemic that we all want the police to deal with. But on the other hand, we don't want anyone to be searched, especially if it's a relative. Yes, in an ideal world the cops would only search people who have committed offences. But how is it possible to achieve this? The law around stop and search is slanted so that there's some indication that those being searched might be up to no good. But that obviously means sometimes, people going about their lawful business are, from time to time searched.
I suspect this incident took around 5 minutes. So we need to put that in perspective. In some areas, every stop and search incident results in a police complaint. The only thing that's going to do is make stopping and searching something individual police officers are more reluctant to do. In this case, it appears there was a cursory search, nothing was found and everyone went on their way with nothing happening afterwards. Not sure why prolonging the matter will be beneficial.
I go to Twickenham every so often to watch rugby. Like many stadiums (probably all these days) I am searched before entry. I am completely innocent of any wrongdoing. I submit to it because I want to go in and watch the match. If I was knocking around in a secluded public place after dark and the police searched me then I would be happy with that too if their intention is to reduce knife crime or any other crime that was prevalent there.
If there has been some wrongdoing by the police involved, then crack on and complain. But I see little value in going on a fishing expedition. Your granddaughter and her friend will I suspect see it simply as a tale to tell their pals anyway before long. There's worse things in life.
I suspect this incident took around 5 minutes. So we need to put that in perspective. In some areas, every stop and search incident results in a police complaint. The only thing that's going to do is make stopping and searching something individual police officers are more reluctant to do. In this case, it appears there was a cursory search, nothing was found and everyone went on their way with nothing happening afterwards. Not sure why prolonging the matter will be beneficial.
I go to Twickenham every so often to watch rugby. Like many stadiums (probably all these days) I am searched before entry. I am completely innocent of any wrongdoing. I submit to it because I want to go in and watch the match. If I was knocking around in a secluded public place after dark and the police searched me then I would be happy with that too if their intention is to reduce knife crime or any other crime that was prevalent there.
If there has been some wrongdoing by the police involved, then crack on and complain. But I see little value in going on a fishing expedition. Your granddaughter and her friend will I suspect see it simply as a tale to tell their pals anyway before long. There's worse things in life.
kenbro
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Who said anything about prolonging the matter, or, cracking on and complaining?
All I asked was, is it the norm, as it’s the first S&S I’ve been this close to in over 80 years.
Ken.
ContinShots
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A significant amount of trouble stemming from youths (whether it's alcohol, drugs, violence, knife crime etc) occurs in and around parks and playingfields. It makes perfect sense that they could view them hanging around or slowly walking though the area as suspicious, depending on what the kids were doing (and unless you were there, you have no idea). From what you've described, the police handled it exactly as they should do, particularly in handing them a record of the S&S.
As for Sarah Everard, as tragic and outrageous as it was, people need to retain some semblance of perspective and objectivity: there are tens of thousands of police officers in the UK and those who have got up to that level of horrific crime don't even reach half of 1%. We cannot go around living in constant fear of extremely unlikely risks or threats, that is the mentality of the anti-gun lobby and it is thoroughly unjustified.
kenbro
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Some crap on here!
Talking about people ‘Living in constant fear.’
Are you a real person?
I too would be very wary if an unmarked car stopped beside me and two people in plain cloths got out and approached me.
Ken.
Fair enough. So what are you going into the police station for then?Who said anything about prolonging the matter, or, cracking on and complaining?
All I asked was, is it the norm, as it’s the first S&S I’ve been this close to in over 80 years.
Ken.
kenbro
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Because the persons advised her to do so for a full report on the incident.
Normal procedure I believe.
Ken.
Bo Diddley
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Keep us all in the loop Ken. It will be interesting to hear your thoughts a few weeks down the line
jcalleja91
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Perfectly normal but you don't have to..
Stop and Searches used to be recorded on paper and effectively a receipt issued... IF you want that you can go to the police station and ask for it.. If not you don't have too
Cheviot
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They're supposed to inform you at the earliest opportunity that you are being recorded.
I go to Twickenham every so often to watch rugby. Like many stadiums (probably all these days) I am searched before entry. I am completely innocent of any wrongdoing
More likely than not you were not searched under any legal power but rather submitting yourself to a search as a condition of entry.
More likely than not you were not searched under any legal power but rather submitting yourself to a search as a condition of entry.
reiver
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Might have a lot to do with location location?
Might it not ?
kenbro
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Absolutely probably not.
As I said, very tiny place (Called a park by locals) with playground and a bit of gym equipment but no trees etc; with ungated entrance/exits on two opposing sides.
It backs onto a nice, small housing estate and is used by children as a short cut to school and others use it to traverse from houses to B road with bus stop situated outside the park.
K
Bavarianbrit
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Remember this one? So un PC now though.
reiver
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Sounds like the perfect place for country lines drug dealers if I am being honest . You would be surprised as to where and how they operate even in small villages! . My partner has had quite a bit to do with kids and the country lines dealing. It’s a very sophisticated set up and the way they groom the kids is calculated .
simgre
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What time of night? How old are the people who were stopped?
And that should be cleared up when they provide a warrant card and identify as Police officers. Quite right to be suspicious, however the act of providing identification and grounds for the search would likely clear that up.
I think it should be remembered that S&S is part of Crime prevention, and no doubt a lot of scum bags have been found to be carrying weapons etc, so we can assume that crimes have been prevented. No it's understandable that Law abiding citizens who have come across S&S will be quite alarmed, and although it's hard to comprehend S&S is for the good of the innocent as well as to catch the people out to commit crimes. Its just like going on a plane, you can be frisked as well as going through the detector, and the majority of people accept this is for their own safety. It is of course the way the World is now, sad though it is, we have to accept that we are all under scrutiny no matter how innocent we think we are.
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