Stop & Search.

[Bo Diddley]

Same for me, I have a few mates that have done their time, they all ended up just treading water to claim the pension, couldn't wait to get out.

The only one left in who is still driven and is a really sensible chap is Sam Bennet, he's livin' the dream as a police dog handler, hunting the ultimate quarry now... rather than a few rats with Nell the Patterdale.. top man.

 

[shakey jake]

Funny you don’t appear to know what you’re talking about…

every body forms their own opinions in life, there must be decent coppers, cant say ive met any that spring to mind but if others have lucky you

 

[basil]

The only question I would ask is, is a female officer allowed to search a male child?
Other than I think it should and will happen more often.
Look at the news tonight, two twelve year old boys are convicted of murdering a nineteen year old with a machete.
Three entire families changed forever.

 

[JH83]

funny how few real criminals get locked up but kids and old men get harrased. no faith in uk police, grew up knowing alot of copper sadly being a bully with a chip on their shoulder is almost discription

What an obnoxious ignorant point of view.

I think you should get yourself out there and join the special constabulary, they are crying out for recruits. Go and jump two feet into a smack den, or traveller site and see what you are made of, see how the ‘chip on shoulder bullies’ go about their business.

As to the OP, sounds all above board. As other have said, likely out to try to stop a burglar/drug dealer-if in plain clothes likely a targeting team with a specific in mind. Not quite sure where the Everard comment came from with regards a fairly standard stop, but hey ho, that’s modern policing, get that monstrosity slammed in your face every day. Deep joy.

 

[shakey jake]

What an obnoxious ignorant point of view.

I think you should get yourself out there and join the special constabulary, they are crying out for recruits. Go and jump two feet into a smack den, or traveller site and see what you are made of, see how the ‘chip on shoulder bullies’ go about their business.

As to the OP, sounds all above board. As other have said, likely out to try to stop a burglar/drug dealer-if in plain clothes likely a targeting team with a specific in mind. Not quite sure where the Everard comment came from with regards a fairly standard stop, but hey ho, that’s modern policing, get that monstrosity slammed in your face every day. Deep joy.

are you a copper or lived with one?

 

[JH83]

are you a copper or lived with one?

If I were I wouldn’t be able to say on a public forum

Suffice to say I know a lot. Salt of the earth, hard working folks, most educated to a high standard and able to get employment wherever they like but decide to do a brutal, soul destroying job with zero thanks from folks like your good self.

 

[Bo Diddley]

or traveller site

I can't recall a single time we have asked the police to help us recover stolen farm equipment from our local traveller site that they have helped, despite the trackers pinpointing the location perfectly. One telehandler was driven straight into the site with the shovel down on the road for 7 miles... and yes we did get that back. (The shovel was knackered)

 

[hw101]

are you a copper or lived with one?

Not being a policeman, I always try and view things from their perspective. In the line of duty, the majority of beat police officers will routinely end up in stressful, dangerous and thankless situations trying to help serve the public. Why some people feel the need to be obstructive/abusive rather than helpful and polite to public servants doing a difficult job is beyond me. Adults have lawful rights it is true - but also have a responsibility to help aid society’s servants do their job. If you have nothing to hide - behave calmly and help the police go about their business.

 

[JH83]

I can't recall a single time we have asked the police to help us recover stolen farm equipment from our local traveller site that they have helped, despite the trackers pinpointing the location perfectly. One telehandler was driven straight into the site with the shovel down on the road for 7 miles... and yes we did get that back. (The shovel was knackered)

I’m not here to apologise for all police decisions, merely point out to the above person he was being unreasonable, and to a lesser degree the OP.

I could easily state how our local police do precisely the opposite of yours. And get results. But that doesn’t help you. I’d imagine it’s a local risk assessment of the site (a guess), and most bobbies would be well up for it, but are forbade (again guess).

In any event, if I have a plummer who doesn’t do a good job (which I have incidentally) I don’t infer that no plummer will ever do a good job, nor make assumption about their personalities.

 

[shakey jake]

well from personel experience ive met bullies, drug users, and one who had to leave for viewing child porn, and lived with one for twenty years.
and been let down by no response when called.
i wouldnt do their job or volunteer.
the good may out way the naff but they dont police this country or themselves well in my opinion.
i have no faith in the police

 

[JH83]

well from personel experience ive met bullies, drug users, and one who had to leave for viewing child porn, and lived with one for twenty years.
and been let down by no response when called.
i wouldnt do their job or volunteer.
the good may out way the naff but they dont police this country or themselves well in my opinion.
i have no faith in the police

Correction, you couldn’t do their job.

I think you would need a slightly better grasp of basic grammar to get accepted in any event.

 

[shakey jake]

Correction, you couldn’t do their job.

I think you would need a slightly better grasp of basic grammar to get accepted in any event.

thats fair, my grammar is poor

 

[topscots1]

It is frustrating for the law abiding to be stopped and searched or have an interruption in the day due to police activity. However unfortunately criminals are normal people, they look the same they dress the same. What may be perfectly innocent two teenagers talking in a park at night in a dark corner may just be friends chatting. To the cop looking for teen drug dealers it may arouse suspicion. I would rather the innocent be interrupted for five minutes of the day than the criminals be left unchecked to drug deal freely (insert any crime) due to the political correctness of the police not wanting to cause offence. What appears to you as your relative walking through the park may in the police’s eyes be the next ecstasy fatality, the next stabbing victim or perpetrator. The officers searching do not know your families.

As for the roll call of anti police comments on here, it is just the norm.

All forces are recruiting both full time and special Constables, everyone that thinks they can do better should feel free to apply no upper age limit, specials can fit shifts around lifestyle commitments.

It is an unfortunate reality of our nation that stop and search in many areas is indeed required, it is not racist it is not a controlling society. It is an attempt to stop out young people killing each other with blades and drugs. The same people complaining (not the op) are generally the ones complaining that the police do nothing. The perception of 1000 police officers sat in a town awaiting a call is far from the truth. Most stations have a handful of response officers generally quickly tied up with mental health calls custodies and other enquiries. Cops don’t choose not to attend calls they are unable to because they are dealing with another one. If you have a complaint about the lack of attendance please complain seek more funding, ask the powers that be to justify the idiotic vanity projects run by some councils detracting funding from the services that require it. Don’t blame the Cop who chooses to do the job with little funding no thanks spending most days dealing with and seeing the very worst our society has to offer.

 

[nun_hunter]

well from personel experience ive met bullies, drug users, and one who had to leave for viewing child porn, and lived with one for twenty years.
and been let down by no response when called.
i wouldnt do their job or volunteer.
the good may out way the naff but they dont police this country or themselves well in my opinion.
i have no faith in the police

'The police are the community and the community are the police' is pretty much a founding Peelian principle of British Policing.

The police are made up of the community so you're going to get some bad ones but more importantly the community are there to police themselves too. If the community has given up on themselves and let it all go to hell then the police will never be able to do their job as intended.

Communities don't get involved with each other any more, don't look out for neighbours, can't even talk to neighbours about parking issues or noise complaints etc but instead call the police.

The whole basic foundation of policing by consent relies on the community policing themselves for 99% of issues and calling the police when things are too much but the general public haven't kept up their end of the deal and act surprised when the police have had enough of the thankless task and do t do a good enough job.

 

[sauer]

The police nowadays are not a preemptive force, merely reactive to after the fact ….
Same as any other faculty in government they been cut to the bone till point of not fit for purpose..
As for bad ones yup you get them !
Same as any other demographic…
Hard fact is if want a better force they need to weed out the bad apples and get funded properly
Not gonna happen

 

[Twodogs]

The police nowadays are not a preemptive force, merely reactive to after the fact ….
Same as any other faculty in government they been cut to the bone till point of not fit for purpose..
As for bad ones yup you get them !
Same as any other demographic…
Hard fact is if want a better force they need to weed out the bad apples and get funded properly
Not gonna happen

Wholeheartedly agree, but would like to add:
Another reason for being reactive is because prevention, being unmeasurable, ticks no performance boxes, hence no funding, cynical I know.
In most cases communities know who the offenders are but do nothing to help the police or themselves. Even if they do the police are often hamstrung by the trio of resourcing, lack of support from … and wokism.

 

[nun_hunter]

Wholeheartedly agree, but would like to add:
Another reason for being reactive is because prevention, being unmeasurable, ticks no performance boxes, hence no funding, cynical I know.
In most cases communities know who the offenders are but do nothing to help the police or themselves. Even if they do the police are often hamstrung by the trio of resourcing, lack of support from … and wokism.

I used to get this from my Sgt. He'd rather I went down the local McDonald's car park and stopped a few cars, put in some section 163 paperwork to show I'd had a 'productive' shift rather than heading out to rural locations gathering intel and more than likely preventing a few crimes not to mention chatting to locals who were glad to actually see a police officer.

While he agreed with what I was doing he was getting pressure from above to show his team were 'busy' compared to other teams. All of which were doing stuff to look busy rather than actually being busy but not having enough forms filled out or stops done.

As soon as you set a target, someone will find a way to fiddle the results to look better. Then everyone else has to do the same to keep up as those at the top don't care about what is being done just that the numbers look good, so they look good

 

[Morkai]

I used to get this from my Sgt. He'd rather I went down the local McDonald's car park and stopped a few cars, put in some section 163 paperwork to show I'd had a 'productive' shift rather than heading out to rural locations gathering intel and more than likely preventing a few crimes not to mention chatting to locals who were glad to actually see a police officer.

While he agreed with what I was doing he was getting pressure from above to show his team were 'busy' compared to other teams. All of which were doing stuff to look busy rather than actually being busy but not having enough forms filled out or stops done.

As soon as you set a target, someone will find a way to fiddle the results to look better. Then everyone else has to do the same to keep up as those at the top don't care about what is being done just that the numbers look good, so they look good

A frustrating place to be for somebody that wants to do good for those around them.

 

[nun_hunter]

A frustrating place to be for somebody that wants to do good for those around them.

It's why the good ones eventually leave.

 

[Stalker62]

As soon as you set a target, someone will find a way to fiddle the results to look better. Then everyone else has to do the same to keep up as those at the top don't care about what is being done just that the numbers look good, so they look good.

Hitting the target and missing the point.

Had that imposed (I always ignored it) from above, too often.