mchughcb
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The Tac 2 is not exactly the same mechanism as the R93. They are not interchangeable.
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The Tac 2 is not exactly the same mechanism as the R93. They are not interchangeable.
Thank you for the link.
In the interests of clarity for the OP rather than prevarication...
I think that may well have been the forum I was referred to previously. I appreciate you and Brown Dog maybe have inside knowledge that cannot be made public...but you are both, like me, just posters on an internet forum...
However if the UK test information you cite is correct, as far as I can tell your post #17 on this thread and those on the linked forum thread you provided were specifically for the Tac 2 rifle which has a bolt similar to the R93 but also a removable magazine? The hunting rifle R93 does not have a removable magazine, so a problem arising when removing the magazine must only be specific to the Tac 2?
The trigger pin sticking down that your fellow contributor to that thread referred to I think must also be specific to the Tac 2 as well...but I am puzzled...on my current R8 the rifle fires when trigger pin moves up as the trigger is pulled. Stuck down the trigger would be in the at rest forward postiton. As far as I remember it the R93 I had was the same.
Alan
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Sonicdmb73
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404 then
Then buy a 404...
Hankered after a straight pull for a good while, then bought an R93 . This was 25 years ago and it's had close to 6000 rounds through the action in some of the wettest and muddiest conditions you'd find in the UK. Not once in that time have I hankered for another rifle, not because the R93 was more accurate, faster reloading, more reliable, easier to maintain or better looking, nope; for me it is simply that the R93 does all I wanted when I first decided to go for it and have never felt an urge to try something different.
What ever you decide on, make sure it is what you really want and then go for it. Never mind what folks you have never met on an internet forum might say, they will not be the ones that will be using it.
What ever you decide on, make sure it is what you really want and then go for it. Never mind what folks you have never met on an internet forum might say, they will not be the ones that will be using it.
Ronin
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My understanding is this, hopefully removing some common misconceptions
The R93 has compatible components with UIT, UITCSM, LRS1, LRS2 and Tac 2 rifles
They have the same bolt slide, same bolt head interchangeability (with exception of 338 bolt head) and same barrels with the exception of the Tac 2
All R93 to LRS2 barrels are 29mm shank and interchangeable
Tac 2 has 34 mm shank so unique to that weapon
The only minor difference is a 3mm plastic spacer along the side of the bolt slide on the tactical models and a machined replacable edge protector that wears when riding on the rear of the magazine edge
They all share the same trigger hook up
Keep em clean lads
The R93 has compatible components with UIT, UITCSM, LRS1, LRS2 and Tac 2 rifles
They have the same bolt slide, same bolt head interchangeability (with exception of 338 bolt head) and same barrels with the exception of the Tac 2
All R93 to LRS2 barrels are 29mm shank and interchangeable
Tac 2 has 34 mm shank so unique to that weapon
The only minor difference is a 3mm plastic spacer along the side of the bolt slide on the tactical models and a machined replacable edge protector that wears when riding on the rear of the magazine edge
They all share the same trigger hook up
Keep em clean lads
Heym SR20
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Blasers are very popular in Germany and so is the 30-06, 308 and 7x64 - all very good for Wild Boar and widely used. Cost of a Blaser over other rifles is also a good couple of hunting trips.
If you are going for a bolt action for shooting driven pigs no reason not to use a nice handling bolt action rifle. I have used my Rigby built on a commercial Mauser action. It holds Five in the Magazine and you can slip one into the chamber as well so its Six rounds. Most Blasers are only three or Four. I am left handed and the Rigby has a right handed bolt and can still reload fast enough.
With a bolt action you want to be able to top load and top off the magazine as and when. It also needs to be quiet to operate. You can hear the "rack rack" of a Blaser being loaded several hundred metres away, and pigs have very good hearing.
And any bolt action is easily taken down with undoing two screws and taking action out of stock so it goes in a shorter case. Provided the bedding is good and its tightened firmly back up with the screw heads indexing properly it should return to zero, or near as dammit as makes no difference.
Or get a double rifle.
Realistically though, it is probably going to become a complete and utter pain in the arse to get all the paperwork required to take a rifle to Europe - especially if you are driving and crossing several countries given that a UK issued European Firearms Pass probably won't be valid. It will be much easier just to borrow one from your hosts - or indeed if you go regularly to the same place, hunt with the same people, just get them to buy a rifle for you to use.
If you are going for a bolt action for shooting driven pigs no reason not to use a nice handling bolt action rifle. I have used my Rigby built on a commercial Mauser action. It holds Five in the Magazine and you can slip one into the chamber as well so its Six rounds. Most Blasers are only three or Four. I am left handed and the Rigby has a right handed bolt and can still reload fast enough.
With a bolt action you want to be able to top load and top off the magazine as and when. It also needs to be quiet to operate. You can hear the "rack rack" of a Blaser being loaded several hundred metres away, and pigs have very good hearing.
And any bolt action is easily taken down with undoing two screws and taking action out of stock so it goes in a shorter case. Provided the bedding is good and its tightened firmly back up with the screw heads indexing properly it should return to zero, or near as dammit as makes no difference.
Or get a double rifle.
Realistically though, it is probably going to become a complete and utter pain in the arse to get all the paperwork required to take a rifle to Europe - especially if you are driving and crossing several countries given that a UK issued European Firearms Pass probably won't be valid. It will be much easier just to borrow one from your hosts - or indeed if you go regularly to the same place, hunt with the same people, just get them to buy a rifle for you to use.
But, but, but...The major difference between Blaser R93 rifles is that the R93 hunting rifles do not have a removable magazine and can only be loaded and unloaded from the top with the bolt open.
According to your linked thread, the removable magazine which apparently can foul the release mechanism when it is removed from a rifle with a loaded chamber and cocked firing pin, is specific to the "Tactical" Aluminium chassis models.
The now discontinued R93 hunting rifles did not have a magazine that can be removed with the bolt in battery, so that issue cannot pertain with those.
Given the reference to trips to Germany and boar in the OP I understood he was looking for a hunting rifle and not a long range "Tactical" rifle.
Alan
Ronin
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Alan
The magazine issue is relevant only to the tactical rifles
The trigger sear is relevant to all the R93 and I’d suggest the R8 too as they share similarities in how the firing pin is cocked
Dirt ingress May cause the sear not to engage and in that event one is closing the bolt on a loaded round in the chamber with the pin forwards
My whole point is that this system can be susceptible to dirt ingress in an area that’s relatively exposed leading to dire consequences
The mechanism is the same in all the straight pull blasers R93 variant
Minor design changes - predominantly to the collet angles and a drop out trigger / mag became the R8
Both quite similar in design to the 93 model
I’d be very cautious using one in areas where dust / dirt /sand could ingress the mechanism
The magazine issue is relevant only to the tactical rifles
The trigger sear is relevant to all the R93 and I’d suggest the R8 too as they share similarities in how the firing pin is cocked
Dirt ingress May cause the sear not to engage and in that event one is closing the bolt on a loaded round in the chamber with the pin forwards
My whole point is that this system can be susceptible to dirt ingress in an area that’s relatively exposed leading to dire consequences
The mechanism is the same in all the straight pull blasers R93 variant
Minor design changes - predominantly to the collet angles and a drop out trigger / mag became the R8
Both quite similar in design to the 93 model
I’d be very cautious using one in areas where dust / dirt /sand could ingress the mechanism
reiver
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There are some new 202 rifles still out there or you could buy a 404 .8 shot mags are also available .
mchughcb
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Saw a few highland stalkers last week. They are way more than a second hand R93.
Uncle f
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Rigby highland stalker is a Mauser in Rigby Wood. As for the rack rack being heard several hundred miles away the blaser system is no louder than a merkel helix or maral or heym sr30 or other bolt actions. Once the shots start pigs have a general idea something is a foot.
Blasers are not everyone’s cup of tea I agree and I was one of the largest detractors from them....then I tried one and now have two R8’s three barrels a K95 and a double
Blasers are not everyone’s cup of tea I agree and I was one of the largest detractors from them....then I tried one and now have two R8’s three barrels a K95 and a double
I have travelled to Africa with both Sako bolt actions and Blaser straight-pulls. Conditions have included high humidity, rain and copious dust. I have not encountered a problem with any rifle.
As for knocking the Blaser's appropriateness for duty in dusty environs: the PH's most used/reliable estate rifle on my last Namibia trip was a Blaser R93. That speaks volumes. He chose to buy that firearm to add to his amoury. Because it works. In dusty Namibia.
Heym SR20
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Of course they are way more than a second hand R93, I meant if you were going to spend the money on a new R8 you may as well have a look at the base level Highland Stalker as well.
In my own interests I have spent the last few hours trying very hard to replicate the issue of closing the bolt with the firing pin forwards with my R8. Without any slam fire success, I am happy to say.
The worst I could get was closing a cocked bolt with the trigger pulled and that obviously would be a problem for any rifle.
I have discovered that the interlocks that decock the action as soon as you release the magazine/trigger assembly are not fooled into thinking the magazine is present with a cut down BASC membership card! Needs something much more substantial.
With the magazine out of the gun the de-cocking system works well before the firing pin carrier tube presented the firing pin through the breech face.
Having eventually prevailed over the magazine decocking interlocks, I tried simulating the sear being unengaged with the magazine in place but found it was easier to replicate with the bolt off the rifle.
The firing pin carrier tube is directly linked to the bolt handle and is moved forward within the bolt as the handle is rotated to lock the bolt in place.
The firing pin carrier tube/spring housing is moved forward...thus allowing the firing pin to project beyond the bolt face...only in the last couple of millimetres of the bolt handle knob travel...well after the collet lugs had been engaged and the secondary collet locking sleeve had moved forward.
Due to the gearing of the length of lever actuating the firing pin carrier, the firing pin moves forward at a much slower pace than the bolt knob.
A slam fire may be possible if the bolt was slammed home I guess...but you would have to be very unlucky to set off the primer at that speed of impact. Having pushed out live primers you know that a steady push is not enough, especially with a relaxed spring behind the firing pin cushioning the effect.
Interesting.
Alan
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